"July recruiting in Jeopardy"

[hawkfaninboston]

Found this on ESPN.com. I am sure the coaches association is livid.

Sources: Conference Commissioners Association votes to recommend eliminating July recruiting - ESPN

 

[JHHawk]

I think this sounds like a bad idea for all the reasons layed out by the coaches.
July is for recruiting...whats the point of having coaches go to the beach instead?

 

[GHawk]

Think maybe this is an attempt to take power back from the clubs and shoe companies that sponsor many of these summer tournys? This would make the high school games more important since they would be the primary games that the coaches would see.

I don't have a problem with that. The AAU and club teams have gotten out of hand. Give the game back to the high schools!

 

[McHawkin]

It is bad if you run an AAU club or are a scouting analyst. However, if the NCAA is not going to allow the coaches to tour the spring and summer AAU travel circuit then I think schools should be allow to hire scouting services that can provide them with information on prospects that fit the teams needs. That way the coaches can contact and visit these prospects during the designated contact periods. The scouting service would be used to observe and report, but not interact with prospects.

 

[IAJay]

Think maybe this is an attempt to take power back from the clubs and shoe companies that sponsor many of these summer tournys? This would make the high school games more important since they would be the primary games that the coaches would see.

I don't have a problem with that. The AAU and club teams have gotten out of hand. Give the game back to the high schools!

So you would rather have the Iowa staff have to miss tons of practice and games during the season to evaluate players? I sure don't and high school coaches can be just as crooked as the AAU people. Also the AAU tournaments in the summer allow for coaches to see tons of players in one location rather than going all over the country to scout prospects. It seems like Fran is open to recruiting anywhere which means that it would take a lot of travel time to see someone like Harris or the kid in GA. This move would make no sense IMO.

Not to mention how this just makes the rich richer and separates the haves from the have not's even more.

 

[rodg12]

Absolutely terrible idea.

 

[MSGT1]

So you would rather have the Iowa staff have to miss tons of practice and games during the season to evaluate players? I sure don't and high school coaches can be just as crooked as the AAU people. Also the AAU tournaments in the summer allow for coaches to see tons of players in one location rather than going all over the country to scout prospects. It seems like Fran is open to recruiting anywhere which means that it would take a lot of travel time to see someone like Harris or the kid in GA. This move would make no sense IMO.

Not to mention how this just makes the rich richer and separates the haves from the have not's even more.

Almost exactly what I was going to say.

I'd also add, level of competition. Most of these kids, when playing high school ball, don't see the same level of competition they see during AAU ball. That also helps the coaches evaluate their game based on the competition. If they are only able to see these kids play against average HS teams, how do they truly see what they can do? AAU ball gives the coaches the chance to see the best players playing against each other. That lets them rate these players more effectively.

 

[Thawki]

Hey, MSGT1.

Don't football coaches evaluate kids against their high school competition without the benefit of an AAU circuit? Football coaches evaluate many more prospects and they don't have an AAU circuit to help them with it.

I haven't seen the article yet, but if they all have to play by the same rules, what is the difference? If you cut this time out, why would it make it harder on small schools? They don't have as big of a budget so I would think it would level things out. Okay, maybe there is an argument to be made for seeing a bunch of kids all at once, but if you are going to get in on kids then you will have to meet with them in their own back yard. Sometimes they play in tournaments or events where coaches are there watching but can't talk, under NCAA rules. By the way, coaches already recruit during the season, so that is not that big of a deal.

Again, I haven't seen the article. I am just commenting off of what others have mentioned on this thread. Who knows, maybe I'll read it and want to delete my post.

Okay, after now reading the article I have nothing to change or add. What is stated above is what I originally thought and I stand by it.

 

[IAJay]

Re: Hey, MSGT1.

Don't football coaches evaluate kids against their high school competition without the benefit of an AAU circuit? Football coaches evaluate many more prospects and they don't have an AAU circuit to help them with it.

I haven't seen the article yet, but if they all have to play by the same rules, what is the difference? If you cut this time out, why would it make it harder on small schools? They don't have as big of a budget so I would think it would level things out. Okay, maybe there is an argument to be made for seeing a bunch of kids all at once, but if you are going to get in on kids then you will have to meet with them in their own back yard. Sometimes they play in tournaments or events where coaches are there watching but can't talk, under NCAA rules. By the way, coaches already recruit during the season, so that is not that big of a deal.

Again, I haven't seen the article. I am just commenting off of what others have mentioned on this thread. Who knows, maybe I'll read it and want to delete my post.

Okay, after now reading the article I have nothing to change or add. What is stated above is what I originally thought and I stand by it.

Football and basketball are just two different animals and I don't really want to even get into that right now.

It separates the rich from the poor because of the size of budgets. The top programs have personal planes that they can use to fly all over the country while the smaller programs do not. Mid Majors like UNI will not be able to afford to send coaches around the country and thus there available talent pool shrinks quite a bit. It is much more reasonable to see all of your recruits in one weekend in Vegas than to only have time to evaluate them during the regular season.

Finally, think of the effect this would have had on Fran this past summer. He would have had almost no time to get out and see some potential recruits. With the high amount of turnover in coaching already that is a lot of programs who will be left with something hanging in the wind. Everyone seems to give him the benefit of the doubt but what would happen if he had even less time to get out and see some players? Transfers are already sky high but this change would lead to even more movement because teams would be taking flyers on kids that they are not able to see nearly as much. I just don't understand limiting access to potential recruits especially when it will hurt the programs who are already hurting.

 

[hawkjunkie]

Think maybe this is an attempt to take power back from the clubs and shoe companies that sponsor many of these summer tournys? This would make the high school games more important since they would be the primary games that the coaches would see.

I don't have a problem with that. The AAU and club teams have gotten out of hand. Give the game back to the high schools!

It would also give these kids their lives back. Anymore if you are not in these camps and tourneys, you are not going to get that better scholarship.

Let the kids be kids. They can never have it back... Ever.

 

[CAARHawk]

First, how has it worked for Fran to have flown all over the place to recruit kids? Seems like a lot of wasted resources to me right now. I know a lot of you don't agree, but the stats are with me right now and on Nov 5 it will just make that more clear.

Second, the rich are already rich. How do they get richer? They only have so many schollies. I mean it isn't like Roy, or Mike, or Bill, or John are having to bank schollies because they can't fill them with blue chip players. It might actually help spread the wealth if coaches can't just show up and see all the top talent from an entire region in the same place. For instance, what are the odds Roy comes to watch all the top talent in the 2012 and 2013 classes in Iowa if he can't first see them all at one AAU tournament?

Let's face it, the best way for the little guys to make it is to keep their kids at home or find a diamond in the rough. The current system of AAU recruiting is making it harder to do both.

That being said, I am sure the AAU coaches would still send gamefilm and reach out in other ways.

 

[BryceC]

Re: Hey, MSGT1.

I haven't seen the article yet, but if they all have to play by the same rules, what is the difference? If you cut this time out, why would it make it harder on small schools?

Big schools can sell themselves on their name and tradition. For rebuilding programs like ISU and Iowa, we have to sell ourselves on the relationship with the coaches. It will be really hard for coaches to develop that relationship with players and potentially sniff out some bad apples.

It has also helped a lot of Iowa kids get scholarships around the country.

CBB is a sleazefest. I don't know the best way to clean it up but undoubtedly this will put a squeeze on teams like ISU/Iowa and mid-majors.

 

[greghammel]

I don't know... If the NCAA bans recruiting in July and nobody can sign anyone... at least one month a year all the other teams will know how it feels to be Iowa.

 

[CAARHawk]

Bryce, you are right it has helped Iowa kids gets scholarships around the country. The problem is we need these Iowa kids to get scholarships here in Iowa. I just have to think Iowa will do better without these big recruiters being able to poach kids in Iowa than Iowa will be able poach in July around the country.