JuJU Watkins chasing CC

Zstatman

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I read where 6'2" USC point guard just scored her 1000th point in just 38 games. It took Caitlin Clark 40 games to do so. It is already being mentioned JuJu just might have the game to reach CC's lofty numbers.

In the WNBA, players can't leave college early to join the pro league so JuJu will play four years.
 
Two fewer games to get to 1000--good for Watkins--but Clark ended up with 3,951 points, and got more productive every year. Plus, the number of games CC played include 4 straight runs to the B1G Tournament title game, and with two seasons extended to the maximum number of games by back-to-back NCAA title game appearances.

Clark's stats:
Year Points Points per game
Frosh 799 26.6
Soph 863 27.0
Jr 1,055 27.8
Sr 1,234 31.6

With USC now in the Big 18, Iowa fans will get to see how Watkins progresses. There's still a long way to go to get to the top of the list of all-time scorers!
 
Did Clark miss a single game in her career from injury? If she did, it wasn't many. Her total games played will be tough to beat so she will need to score more than Clark per game to do it. That's going to be really tough to do. She may very well end up a better basketball player tho.
 
Did Clark miss a single game in her career from injury? If she did, it wasn't many. Her total games played will be tough to beat so she will need to score more than Clark per game to do it. That's going to be really tough to do. She may very well end up a better basketball player tho.
I don't think so Covid shortened Iowas 2020 season by a handful of non conference games. Besides that she played sick at Nebraska once with a migrane and had other migrane games she toughed out. Besides that no she never actually missed a game played 139 of em.

Through 4 games JuJu is avging 21.5 and shooting 42% She's not off to a hot start by any means.
USC has a transfer from Stanford that's a heck of a player that demands her own fair share of touches too. They won't be the same one woman sort of team they were last yr either. I think it'll be tough for JuJu (or anyone) to catch what Clark did over 4 yrs. If it was someone woulda done it by now or gotten closer to it. But Clark obliterated it.

I just wish Clark had gotten like 3-4 more non-con games to pad her stats. I woulda liked to see Clark get to 2nd all time in assists and she woulda gotten that if so.
 
I don't think so Covid shortened Iowas 2020 season by a handful of non conference games. Besides that she played sick at Nebraska once with a migrane and had other migrane games she toughed out. Besides that no she never actually missed a game played 139 of em.

Through 4 games JuJu is avging 21.5 and shooting 42% She's not off to a hot start by any means.
USC has a transfer from Stanford that's a heck of a player that demands her own fair share of touches too. They won't be the same one woman sort of team they were last yr either. I think it'll be tough for JuJu (or anyone) to catch what Clark did over 4 yrs. If it was someone woulda done it by now or gotten closer to it. But Clark obliterated it.

I just wish Clark had gotten like 3-4 more non-con games to pad her stats. I woulda liked to see Clark get to 2nd all time in assists and she woulda gotten that if so.
Oh that's right. I think the season was 7 games short.
 
I agree it's a very tall order for JuJu to pass CC's scoring record. She has the rest of this year and two more years, though, and who knows what will happen.

I was surprised to see the article talking about her chase of CC already. The article mentioned that JuJU is the 4th fastest woman to 1000 but it didn't see who the first three were but whoever they were they didn't break the record. The article just focused on JuJu pursuing CC.

I haven't seen JuJU play on TV yet but will make it a point to see the USC at Iowa game on February 2 at Carver Hawkeye. And the game is scheduled to be shown on Fox. That could be a big game.
 
Did Clark miss a single game in her career from injury? If she did, it wasn't many. Her total games played will be tough to beat so she will need to score more than Clark per game to do it. That's going to be really tough to do. She may very well end up a better basketball player tho.

Nope...I don't know if she has ever missed a game, HS through WNBA. Kind of a freak from a durability standpoint.
 
Yeah and I'm still butthurt over losing to Creighton at home in 2nd round her sophomore yr... They were better then that and shoulda had a few more games that March too

I think the team learned a lot from that game that helped them over the next 2 runs to the championship, though. I was at that Creighton game, it sucked so hard. Iowa was better, but they weren't yet ready for the moment.
 
I think the team learned a lot from that game that helped them over the next 2 runs to the championship, though. I was at that Creighton game, it sucked so hard. Iowa was better, but they weren't yet ready for the moment.
Yeah it just sucks sometimes to have to learn like that. Woulda been nicer to have learned while winning it. But I agree they just weren't ready cause at home like that they didn't have a good excuse for losing it. It's as head scratching of a loss as they'd had in awhile
 
Yeah it just sucks sometimes to have to learn like that. Woulda been nicer to have learned while winning it. But I agree they just weren't ready cause at home like that they didn't have a good excuse for losing it. It's as head scratching of a loss as they'd had in awhile

One of the great things about cheering for the women's BB team is they pretty much always meet or beat season expectations. And I would say globally, that 2021-2022 season exceeded expectations (earned a #2 seed, won the B1G tournament). But that is the only season I can recall where the final finish (i.e., NCAA tournament performance) fell well short of expectations.

Creighton was a bad matchup for us, as their small-ball somewhat neutralized our Czinano advantage (Czinano did work on the offensive end with 12/20 shooting for 27 points, but she was being abused on the defensive end). The team hadn't yet developed the ability to go small.

Clark wasn't yet mentally tough enough to deal with the relentless attention and physicality that teams were going to send her way in big games and big moments. She got flustered by officiating, and she focused too much on exaggerating contact instead of playing through contact. She shot 4/19.

The rest of the team hadn't fully figured out how to play with Clark. As much as Clark opens up for other players, it takes a certain mental toughness to play with her. Clark wears her emotions on her sleeve, and she will let you know if she is upset with something you do on the floor. It is also easy to get caught "Clark watching", or to be scared to shoot with the full realization that every shot you take is a shot Clark isn't taking. The players other than Czinano and Clark shot 9/32.

Even so, the team fought and had the lead most of the 4th quarter. They collapsed in the last 90 seconds (Creighton outscored them 6-0), and then Czinano missed a bunny at the buzzer after a beautifully conceived sideline OOB play.
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Creighton had already beaten #7 Colorado in round 1, and they went on to beat #3 Iowa State by 8 points in the sweet 16. They were salty.

It was pretty much a perfect storm for Iowa, but it led to many important developments.

Clark got tougher, both physically and mentally.

The players around Clark got tougher (especially Martin and Marshall...Czinano was already a team leader, and Warnock was always a dawg).

As a team, Iowa developed a better response to small ball (starting with Stuelke-at-the-5 lineups the following year).

Over the subsequent 2 seasons, they were 10-4 in games decided by 5 points or less, and they were 16-2 in tournament games (undefeated in B1G tournament, 10-2 in NCAA). There were also numerous tough games that were 40-minute battles, and Iowa just pulled away with toughness at the end for a comfortable victory.

And Clark was a killer in the biggest moments through all of it. For as gaudy as her overall stats are, my guess is her splits from top-25 matchups and tournament games are even more impressive.

Pain is a great teacher and motivator.
 
I agree it's a very tall order for JuJu to pass CC's scoring record. She has the rest of this year and two more years, though, and who knows what will happen.

I was surprised to see the article talking about her chase of CC already. The article mentioned that JuJU is the 4th fastest woman to 1000 but it didn't see who the first three were but whoever they were they didn't break the record. The article just focused on JuJu pursuing CC.

I haven't seen JuJU play on TV yet but will make it a point to see the USC at Iowa game on February 2 at Carver Hawkeye. And the game is scheduled to be shown on Fox. That could be a big game.

I think it is very unlikely that JuJu breaks the record, for all of the reasons I laid out here:


We can already see the biggest one coming into play this season...USC was heavily dependent on JuJu last year, but this year they are loaded with talent. Kiki Iriafen (the likely #2 in the WNBA draft this spring) did not transfer there to take a backseat.


JuJu doesn't need to carry so much load, so her counting stats will go down. I would guess she will put up some impressive numbers in tight games against top teams, though.

She is really impressive as a player...strong, smooth, big, and fast. She can get her shot off whenever she wants, and she always seems in control. Good defender, too.
 
She's terrific. She's going to be arguably one of the best. She may break the record.
But she don't hit 3s from different zip codes.
Everyone digs the long ball.
 
She's terrific. She's going to be arguably one of the best. She may break the record.
But she don't hit 3s from different zip codes.
Everyone digs the long ball.
If she does break the record it will be from 200-300 more shot attempts in her career.
 
One of the great things about cheering for the women's BB team is they pretty much always meet or beat season expectations. And I would say globally, that 2021-2022 season exceeded expectations (earned a #2 seed, won the B1G tournament). But that is the only season I can recall where the final finish (i.e., NCAA tournament performance) fell well short of expectations.

Creighton was a bad matchup for us, as their small-ball somewhat neutralized our Czinano advantage (Czinano did work on the offensive end with 12/20 shooting for 27 points, but she was being abused on the defensive end). The team hadn't yet developed the ability to go small.

Clark wasn't yet mentally tough enough to deal with the relentless attention and physicality that teams were going to send her way in big games and big moments. She got flustered by officiating, and she focused too much on exaggerating contact instead of playing through contact. She shot 4/19.

The rest of the team hadn't fully figured out how to play with Clark. As much as Clark opens up for other players, it takes a certain mental toughness to play with her. Clark wears her emotions on her sleeve, and she will let you know if she is upset with something you do on the floor. It is also easy to get caught "Clark watching", or to be scared to shoot with the full realization that every shot you take is a shot Clark isn't taking. The players other than Czinano and Clark shot 9/32.

Even so, the team fought and had the lead most of the 4th quarter. They collapsed in the last 90 seconds (Creighton outscored them 6-0), and then Czinano missed a bunny at the buzzer after a beautifully conceived sideline OOB play.
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Creighton had already beaten #7 Colorado in round 1, and they went on to beat #3 Iowa State by 8 points in the sweet 16. They were salty.

It was pretty much a perfect storm for Iowa, but it led to many important developments.

Clark got tougher, both physically and mentally.

The players around Clark got tougher (especially Martin and Marshall...Czinano was already a team leader, and Warnock was always a dawg).

As a team, Iowa developed a better response to small ball (starting with Stuelke-at-the-5 lineups the following year).

Over the subsequent 2 seasons, they were 10-4 in games decided by 5 points or less, and they were 16-2 in tournament games (undefeated in B1G tournament, 10-2 in NCAA). There were also numerous tough games that were 40-minute battles, and Iowa just pulled away with toughness at the end for a comfortable victory.

And Clark was a killer in the biggest moments through all of it. For as gaudy as her overall stats are, my guess is her splits from top-25 matchups and tournament games are even more impressive.

Pain is a great teacher and motivator.
Amen to everything you put here. Especially about how Clark performed against the best teams. The best teams all tried a little bit of everything to try and slow her down (knowing full well as far as scoring went Iowa was a 1 woman team) and nobody could do it. Clarks game against Uconn in final 4 was probably about as human as she's looked in tourny. In that first half I think she only had 6 pts. It was a dog fight of a game really that came down to who could close it out in the last few mins and Iowa made pretty much every play needed. It wasn't just the moving screen call it was a sequence of plays down the stretch. The 2022 team wouldn't have won that game but the 2024 team did.
 
One thing the article points out is that JuJu developed her love of the game at a young age, in elementary school the same as CC. They both were raised in an environment that allowed them to nurture and grow their skills.
 
One thing the article points out is that JuJu developed her love of the game at a young age, in elementary school the same as CC. They both were raised in an environment that allowed them to nurture and grow their skills.

They carry themselves very differently (Clark more of the showperson, more demonstrative; Watkins more reserved, almost like a Tim Duncan-personality with a Dwyane Wade game).

But at their core, they seem pretty similar (fanatical competitors, just love ball more than anything else).
 

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