Nope, his summary of the "history" is spot on...revisionist history that is. KF supporters have reverted to completely false narratives in attempts to muster some type of faith in his program. KF very directly stated that this was an open competition multiple times throughout the year while quite obviously demonstrating that it was not. KF supporters will insist that this does not mean the coach is lying. Any reasonable human being, on the other hand, knows what that he is straight out saying one thing and doing the oppisite. If you're to insist that this is not lying then you must admit that he is so incredibly stupid as to not even know what a QB competition is.
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Nope, his summary of the "history" is spot on...revisionist history that is. KF supporters have reverted to completely false narratives in attempts to muster some type of faith in his program. KF very directly stated that this was an open competition multiple times throughout the year while quite obviously demonstrating that it was not. KF supporters will insist that this does not mean the coach is lying. Any reasonable human being, on the other hand, knows what that he is straight out saying one thing and doing the oppisite. If you're to insist that this is not lying then you must admit that he is so incredibly stupid as to not even know what a QB competition is.
NCHawker
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The pod cast is designed to whip people up - tug at their emotions. Turns out that that interview "did not place him outside of the circle of trust". This was the premise of the hour long chain of conjecture. I don't like the expression, I never use it but we were all being trolled.
Stanzi and Tate had no experience either. Most quarterbacks don't before their first starts. My point was I'm not going to write off a 4 star athlete because he didn't get mop up duty reps, as if that really provides a player any meaningful experience.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
It wasn't the premise. The premise is that The Beathard's have given Kirk a **** or get off the pot play, which they have...all in. The circle of trust angle was a part of it. In the item I wrote last week, I gave room for that not having been broken.
The 'All in' play is still very much on the table.
As for the podcast being designed to whip people up, I resent that. Deace and have have rarely done contrived radio..and when we did so, it was intentionally over the top to the point of being obvious.
We may not always be right, but it's never contrived/designed to whip people up.
hawkphan00
Banned
7-5 and limping the whole damn way should be enough to get us into a frenzy. Jon and Steve to me do a great job of calling the spade a spade. I get all p/o'd after a game, let it sink and and by Sunday I am all good until listening to their podcast on Monday's then get just as ****** off. They didn't stir any pot that wasn't stirred already by Kirk and his staff.
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DDThompson
Guest
I do not agree with Deace that KF's best option would be to make an example of CJB. He wouldn't for several reasons:
1. The fan base would go nuclear. I would.
2. KF needs to keep both QBs on roster for next season; CJB for two. The best option then is to play them both in bowl game. JR isn't transferring before his senior season.
3. JR will start. KF can't demote him for a bowl game in his home state without doing damage to recruiting in Florida.
The announcement today allows JR to start, CJB to play and stay, and CJB to take over for 2015 and keep JR as a capable backup. Now there is some conjecture for you!
Of course CJB could be too pumped to play against Tenn, make too many mistakes, so KF can say "See, told ya' so." CJB gone.
The CYA has started with the excuse that the QB spot is open because of "The Nebraska Outcome."
Whatever happens with CJB staying or leaving, I think CJB could very be the continental divide: it is possible he could salvage the next two seasons. It's also possible if he leaves then KF's reign could be shortened more than what we/he now thinks.
1. The fan base would go nuclear. I would.
2. KF needs to keep both QBs on roster for next season; CJB for two. The best option then is to play them both in bowl game. JR isn't transferring before his senior season.
3. JR will start. KF can't demote him for a bowl game in his home state without doing damage to recruiting in Florida.
The announcement today allows JR to start, CJB to play and stay, and CJB to take over for 2015 and keep JR as a capable backup. Now there is some conjecture for you!
Of course CJB could be too pumped to play against Tenn, make too many mistakes, so KF can say "See, told ya' so." CJB gone.
The CYA has started with the excuse that the QB spot is open because of "The Nebraska Outcome."
Whatever happens with CJB staying or leaving, I think CJB could very be the continental divide: it is possible he could salvage the next two seasons. It's also possible if he leaves then KF's reign could be shortened more than what we/he now thinks.
SpecialKHawk
Well-Known Member
From a head coaching experience standpoint Jim Harbaugh had exactly zero at the D1 level when he was hired from non-scholly D3 San Diego to take control at D1 Stanford. There is not a single, exact blue print for success.
I agree with your sentiments about this program being a complete disaster. We are what our trophy case says we are. I agree there is nothing to say BF will have success if indeed he takes over at OC next year. Our talent level is just not cutting it and the talent we do have is pushed out of the program for being too flashy or relegated to the bench. Having said this, I could care less who the OC is even if it is Mary Ferentz if we are getting results on the field. Just win baby.
The positives of BF might be that he will actually have the clout to say to KF we are not running those plays and we are playing these guys not your guys. If those two things happen alone, BF will be an upgrade.
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DDThompson
Guest
Anyway. It was a good fun pod.
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DDThompson
Guest
If you think podcasts are designed to whip up emotions and to troll I would suspect you wouldn't listen to them. There are some posters I skip over for just that reason. And if you think it's Miller's MO to troll I doubt his site would be as big as it is based on trolling as a foundation.
While Miller did leave an out a couple of times in his article from a week ago, he did not in this podcast.
Around 1:30 - "CJB and his dad, in my opinion, went outside the circle of trust speaking to The Tennesseean..."
Around 1:45 - "I'll start with the circle of trust... (then explains Register being denied request to speak with CJB and the KF/SID operations - which was interesting...and then JM
Around 2:30 - "So you're not supposed to.interview players without the green light from sports information and I'm guaranteeing you that Kirk said, 'Nobody is talking to CJ in advance of the bowl game."
Around 2:50 - "So CJ Beathard, in my opinion, they chose to talk to the home town paper of their own volition. they did do that and in my opinion dropped some bombs."
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So while Miller left an out in his article he was much more assertive in the podcast that the Beathard's crossed Kirk's red line. In fact, it was his opinion they did.
None of that means he was trolling or tugging at your heart's emotion strings. It means his was assertion and opinion about that aspect of the story were wrong.
I think he is correct that the Beathards dropped some bombs.
But I don't put much stock that CJ was saying, "Play me or I'm gone." Coupled with what his dad said I think the point they are making is that the "trust issue" is a two-way street. I don't think they trust KF's words/promises of open competition and playing time.
Perhaps better... trust is concentric circles.
And the Beathards don't think their HC has been center-up with CJ.
AND I would agree with CJ.
mopkins
King Kong
This whole thing just feels like a no-win situation for Iowa football. If CJB transfers Iowa fans will go ballistic. However, if Ferentz plugs CJB in there, then whether CJB succeeds or not, he basically threatened to transfer and got his way which sets a very dangerous precedent.
I don't know what the "right" answer is here, but I'm not sure there is one anyway. I personally want CJB to get his shot as I feel he's the better QB and gives the team a better chance to win. However, what comes next? How does that look to the underclassmen on the team who are currently second or third on the depth chart? That they can publicly threaten to transfer?
It's also probably worth pointing out that this season Ruddock and CJB have almost the same exact yards per attempt throwing, yet Ruddock has a higher completion percentage. I know it seems like all Ruddock does is dink and dunk, but there are times he does look down the field. He clearly doesn't have the arm that CJB does though, which is important to point out. Both QB's also have a 3:1 TD:INT ratio. It's obviously all a very small sample size for CJB, and none of it takes into account what he can do with his legs. I just constantly try to throw caution to my friends that think CJB is this elite level QB that will save Iowa football. He has not proven that yet.
The bottom line is that this whole thing seems like a no-win for Iowa football, regardless of your position on Ferentz/CJB/Ruddock.
I don't know what the "right" answer is here, but I'm not sure there is one anyway. I personally want CJB to get his shot as I feel he's the better QB and gives the team a better chance to win. However, what comes next? How does that look to the underclassmen on the team who are currently second or third on the depth chart? That they can publicly threaten to transfer?
It's also probably worth pointing out that this season Ruddock and CJB have almost the same exact yards per attempt throwing, yet Ruddock has a higher completion percentage. I know it seems like all Ruddock does is dink and dunk, but there are times he does look down the field. He clearly doesn't have the arm that CJB does though, which is important to point out. Both QB's also have a 3:1 TD:INT ratio. It's obviously all a very small sample size for CJB, and none of it takes into account what he can do with his legs. I just constantly try to throw caution to my friends that think CJB is this elite level QB that will save Iowa football. He has not proven that yet.
The bottom line is that this whole thing seems like a no-win for Iowa football, regardless of your position on Ferentz/CJB/Ruddock.
NCHawker
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Jon I'll accept what you say. I apologize for offending you. I should not have presumed to judge your motives. I do enjoy all of your podcasts.
----------The pod cast is designed to whip people up - tug at their emotions.
I don't see that as a goal of Jon's....it's pretty informative stuff. AND refreshing to hear it come out of Iowa voices....not sure if they want to be counted as full fledged media or not. But whatever they are, it's refreshing to hear the truth!!!
I don't see that as a goal of Jon's....it's pretty informative stuff. AND refreshing to hear it come out of Iowa voices....not sure if they want to be counted as full fledged media or not. But whatever they are, it's refreshing to hear the truth!!!
