JoePa denies QB's request to transfer

JoePa is just a bitter old man at this point. He is PSU's de facto mascot. He does no in-game coaching, he rarely attends practice. Denying a kids release is terrible for recruiting and the wrong thing to do.
 


tm3308 said:
This. At first I kind of scratched my head. But this is an excellent chance to teach Bolden an important life lesson. That's something that good college coaches tend to do. They aren't just coaches.
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So I take it you think Kirk Ferentz is not a good college coach?
 


I completely disagree with the denial of the release. There is no basis to keep a kid at a University who doesn't want to be there, zero reason, let the kid go. It is classless, I don't care who he wants to transfer too, even if it is Nebraska or USC, pure garbage.
How classless is it for Virginia Tech to not allow a release from a freshman after the shootings on campus, he didn't want to be there after the incident and this was before he stepped on campus. That is classless, just like DePaul's new coach not wanting to let a Center that is a senior in high school out of his LOI.
What point are trying to prove? So guess what happens? The kid stays, quits the team altogether, yeah great lesson...this is a joke. Under no circumstances would I ever want Ferentz or McCaffery pull this on any player, it is not justified, it just is not right. There should be no issue if a player wants to leave for any reason, but there are transfer rules for a reason, so it just makes little sense expcept that these coaches are ego maniacs.
 


I give PSU credit for their willingness to let Joe continue as Coach. They must see this Brett Farveish mess a good thing, but will likely lead them to about 3-4 more years of being a B10 wanna be. Gives the hawks a chance to continue their streak of head to head wins for more years to come.
 


hawkfan340 said:
Why is it the right thing to do? Bolden is boning over the school & program and renegging on his letter of intent. Why should PSU make a guarantee it will pay his college costs if it gets no guarantee in return? It leaves PSU (already shorthanded at QB) thin as paper.
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So the player shouldn't have a right to transfer because he signed a letter of intent...but the coach that signed a contract can jump ship at any time he wants...plus not even have to sit out a year.
 


fufred said:
JoePa is just a bitter old man at this point. He is PSU's de facto mascot. He does no in-game coaching, he rarely attends practice. Denying a kids release is terrible for recruiting and the wrong thing to do.
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you are right - you should text Tress and suggest that Tress teach him a thing or two about running a program.. Tell him to throw in a checkers reference for Joe, so he can relate.
 


imported_ankle23 said:
you are right - you should text Tress and suggest that Tress teach him a thing or two about running a program.. Tell him to throw in a checkers reference for Joe, so he can relate.
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nah I love JoePa at PSU, OSU gets the best PA. players while JoePa runs their program head first into the ground. Tress is playing chess, you're playing checkers, and Joe is playing tiddly winks. ;)
 


I don't think anyone here knows all of the extenuating circumstances surrounding Coach Paterno's decision. I'd love to see anyone here look him face-to-face and call him classless. Coach Ferentz sure as hell wouldn't.
 


tweeterhawk said:
So I take it you think Kirk Ferentz is not a good college coach?
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I didn't say that, nor was that meant to be between the lines. I don't recall any players that have transferred who were in a similar situation as Bolden (freshman, very highly touted recruit, began season as starter and lost spot midseason). He's the kind of kid that might need this kind of lesson. He obviously isn't pulling a Derek Pagel (who very nearly quit before decided to stick it out, and was rewarded for it). Bolden's talent is clearly an important factor in this decision as well. But Bolden could very well learn an important lesson in all of this.
 




tm3308 said:
I didn't say that, nor was that meant to be between the lines. I don't recall any players that have transferred who were in a similar situation as Bolden (freshman, very highly touted recruit, began season as starter and lost spot midseason). He's the kind of kid that might need this kind of lesson. He obviously isn't pulling a Derek Pagel (who very nearly quit before decided to stick it out, and was rewarded for it). Bolden's talent is clearly an important factor in this decision as well. But Bolden could very well learn an important lesson in all of this.
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I recall a junior who was a very highly touted recruit, began season as starter at QB and lost his spot midseason. Said player also had an overbearing father, which sounds like Mr. Bolden also fits that category.
 


Section136 said:
I recall a junior who was a very highly touted recruit, began season as starter at QB and lost his spot midseason. Said player also had an overbearing father, which sounds like Mr. Bolden also fits that category.
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Yeah, but there's a pretty big difference a freshman and a junior transferring. If JC would have had to sit out, his career would have been done. Bolden still has two years even if he sits out, plus there are still 3 years to turn things around at PSU. Definitely apples and oranges.
 


fuhrdogrj said:
So the player shouldn't have a right to transfer because he signed a letter of intent...but the coach that signed a contract can jump ship at any time he wants...plus not even have to sit out a year.
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The way coaches can jump ship is also very disturbing. Doesn't make it right for the athletes to do the same though.

Also, a coach can be fired, but as long as a student plays football, they're guaranteed their scholarship. Even if they end up sucking at football.
 


hawkfan340 said:
The way coaches can jump ship is also very disturbing. Doesn't make it right for the athletes to do the same though.

Also, a coach can be fired, but as long as a student plays football, they're guaranteed their scholarship. Even if they end up sucking at football.
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A scholarship can be pulled at any time. They are not guaranteed.
 


hawkfan340 said:
The way coaches can jump ship is also very disturbing. Doesn't make it right for the athletes to do the same though.

Also, a coach can be fired, but as long as a student plays football, they're guaranteed their scholarship. Even if they end up sucking at football.
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Scholarships are renewed on a year to year basis. Explains how the SEC can oversign every year.
 






hawkfan340 said:
I doubt he can either. I don't think any of us know the details on his release or where he intends to finish school/play football. My point was that he's in a different situation than Bolden, but the more and more his situation resembles Bolden, the more and more KF should have said he wasn't going to allow that.
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In this case, my guess is that JoePa isn't allowing a transfer "waiver", i.e., if he leaves PSU, especially for another Big Ten school, he MUST sit a year and not receive a scholly.

Frankly, Bolden can leave and go anywhere he wants. He would just have to sit a year if he goes to another FBS school, and would not be allowed on scholly at another Big Ten school. Other than that, Joe Pa "not allowing a transfer" is incorrect. JoePa has no ability to "prevent" Bolden from leaving PSU. He merely has some "stroke" with regard to the terms under which Bolden leaves.

Unless, of course, JoePa is disallowing a "mid-year" transfer like Hampton or Wegher, in which case, I agree with JoePa. Why allow a kid to leave mid-year when your spring ball would be left short at QB? If Bolden refuses to show, THEN JoePa can pull the scholly.
 




hawkfan340 said:
Yeah, but there's a pretty big difference a freshman and a junior transferring. If JC would have had to sit out, his career would have been done. Bolden still has two years even if he sits out, plus there are still 3 years to turn things around at PSU. Definitely apples and oranges.
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Even if he sits out he still has 3 years, because he has yet to red-shirt. I think that Joe-Pa could give him a conditional waiver which says no B10 team. If he goes FBS he has to sit out a year, if it's B10 he has to do the same and pay his way.
 


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