Jimbo Fired

I think TAM has more money than sense. Crazy expectations, too much focus on money. I expect the next coach to have similar outcome as Fisher and Sumlin.
 
hawkinn3 said:
How do they have so much money?
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Have you ever seen the intro to the hit television show The Beverly Hillbillies? Watch it and it will explain a lot. A&M is a fantastic oil engineering school and the oil bros make Arab teenagers in London look responsible when it comes to spending money on football. See also, T. Boone's gifts to Oklahoma State.
 
Hawkboys said:
Most overrated coach ever. He never really won big anywhere to deserve that kind of contract.
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Didn't he win the natty at FSU? The list of guys with a natty who aren't geriatric or embroiled in scandal is pretty short. Nick, Dabo, Kirby, Jimbo, Orgeron and Mack Brown. Any others? Chizik won at Auburn but proved he sucks when he doesn't have Cam Newton. Urban Meyer has that finger in the butthole picture. Phil Fulmer of Fulmer Cup fame? Bob Stoops? It ain't a long list.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Didn't he win the natty at FSU? The list of guys with a natty who aren't geriatric or embroiled in scandal is pretty short. Nick, Dabo, Kirby, Jimbo, Orgeron and Mack Brown. Any others? Chizik won at Auburn but proved he sucks when he doesn't have Cam Newton. Urban Meyer has that finger in the butthole picture. Phil Fulmer of Fulmer Cup fame? Bob Stoops? It ain't a long list.
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Meh, they were a large % Bowden's recruits and he had Jameis
 
From an article


When I die, I want to come back to earth as a college football coaching agent.

Forget Alabama versus Chattanooga or Brett Yormark versus George Kliavkoff. There is no more lopsided contest in this sport than Jimmy Sexton versus SEC athletic directors. He and his ilk have done a masterful job of exploiting schools’ emotion-driven coaching searches and amateurish negotiators to the tune of hundreds of millions in their clients’ bank accounts, whether they’re successful or whether they fail spectacularly.

Texas A&M fired Jimbo Fisher on Sunday, invoking what was universally derided at the time as the sport’s most lopsided contract, one that will cost a staggering $77 million in guaranteed buyout money. Fisher earned $75 million before he even coached a game, then got a new $90 million deal — also fully guaranteed — following a 9-1 record in the weird and deceiving 2020 season.

Three seasons and a 19-15 record later, he will be paid a sum greater than a Mountain West school’s entire athletics budget and let someone else make gobs of money chasing glory.

An econ professor or Fortune 500 CEO would probably find the college football coaching market hilariously inefficient. The schools often negotiate against themselves, paying a coach far more than it would actually take for him to come there or stay there mostly because others are doing the same. They rush to lock themselves into stratospheric obligations to guys not named Kirby Smart or Nick Saban, then go begging for donations when they somehow can’t balance their budgets.

Texas A&M might be the most recognizable offender, but it’s not like other schools haven’t done the same thing.
 
NCHawker said:
From an article


When I die, I want to come back to earth as a college football coaching agent.

Forget Alabama versus Chattanooga or Brett Yormark versus George Kliavkoff. There is no more lopsided contest in this sport than Jimmy Sexton versus SEC athletic directors. He and his ilk have done a masterful job of exploiting schools’ emotion-driven coaching searches and amateurish negotiators to the tune of hundreds of millions in their clients’ bank accounts, whether they’re successful or whether they fail spectacularly.

Texas A&M fired Jimbo Fisher on Sunday, invoking what was universally derided at the time as the sport’s most lopsided contract, one that will cost a staggering $77 million in guaranteed buyout money. Fisher earned $75 million before he even coached a game, then got a new $90 million deal — also fully guaranteed — following a 9-1 record in the weird and deceiving 2020 season.

Three seasons and a 19-15 record later, he will be paid a sum greater than a Mountain West school’s entire athletics budget and let someone else make gobs of money chasing glory.

An econ professor or Fortune 500 CEO would probably find the college football coaching market hilariously inefficient. The schools often negotiate against themselves, paying a coach far more than it would actually take for him to come there or stay there mostly because others are doing the same. They rush to lock themselves into stratospheric obligations to guys not named Kirby Smart or Nick Saban, then go begging for donations when they somehow can’t balance their budgets.

Texas A&M might be the most recognizable offender, but it’s not like other schools haven’t done the same thing.
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And let's not forget that while doing that and paying him to not coach they'll be ponying up the next big outrageous deal to the next lucky schmuck that they hire. Who they get next will be interesting. Who all do they target? etc etc. I mean if they want to be deemed as unserious and just going for flash they offer Deion Sanders the stars and the moon. If they want to just go for the obvious they poach Kiffin from Ole Miss because he's running out of SEC programs to coach for. Any coach taking that job is taking it for 1 reason and 1 reason only that's for sure
 
NCHawker said:
An econ professor or Fortune 500 CEO would probably find the college football coaching market hilariously inefficient. The schools often negotiate against themselves, paying a coach far more than it would actually take for him to come there or stay there mostly because others are doing the same. They rush to lock themselves into stratospheric obligations to guys not named Kirby Smart or Nick Saban, then go begging for donations when they somehow can’t balance their budgets.
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A Fortune 500 CEO benefits from the same system, the perceived scarcity of the skillset and the belief that your competitors will pay if you don't. Some of those guys are worth it. Nick Saban, for example. Even Coach Ferentz is probably worth what he is paid. 80% of the guys in that club are not scarce.
 
okeefe4prez said:
A Fortune 500 CEO benefits from the same system, the perceived scarcity of the skillset and the belief that your competitors will pay if you don't. Some of those guys are worth it. Nick Saban, for example. Even Coach Ferentz is probably worth what he is paid. 80% of the guys in that club are not scarce.
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I think it'd be interesting if an AD went the Moneyball route with a football staff by trying to exploit market inefficiencies. Say you have $10M per year allocated for a staff. Instead of giving 70% of it to the head coach, maybe you scour the high school and D2/D3 ranks and find guys doing innovative things and liberally spread those dollars around. Maybe the head coaching position takes on a completely different profile. Maybe you could pay an "ambassador" of the program like $1M to do half the shit a guy like Ferentz does now (like a Chuck Long, Dallas Clark, etc.).

Sure, if the offensive coordinator you plucked from D3 starts putting up huge numbers, somebody will poach him for a ton of money. Or they'll likely make him a head coach, which may or may not work. But then you go find another innovative guy. There would likely be some instability, but isn't that true of almost every staff these days?

And some place like Northwestern or Indiana or Stanford or Washington State is used to ups and downs anyway. Why not play the game differently when it comes to staff salary allocation?
 
Anybody remember what Hayden was getting his last contract. It seems the contract for NCAA head coaches really ramped up the last 10-15 yrs. I remember when everyone was up in arms when KF was in the top 5 for $$$$.
 
SwirlinLingerie said:
I think it'd be interesting if an AD went the Moneyball route with a football staff by trying to exploit market inefficiencies. Say you have $10M per year allocated for a staff. Instead of giving 70% of it to the head coach, maybe you scour the high school and D2/D3 ranks and find guys doing innovative things and liberally spread those dollars around. Maybe the head coaching position takes on a completely different profile. Maybe you could pay an "ambassador" of the program like $1M to do half the shit a guy like Ferentz does now (like a Chuck Long, Dallas Clark, etc.).

Sure, if the offensive coordinator you plucked from D3 starts putting up huge numbers, somebody will poach him for a ton of money. Or they'll likely make him a head coach, which may or may not work. But then you go find another innovative guy. There would likely be some instability, but isn't that true of almost every staff these days?

And some place like Northwestern or Indiana or Stanford or Washington State is used to ups and downs anyway. Why not play the game differently when it comes to staff salary allocation?
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I wouldn't be opposed to that. Most big schools should have their own guys who are loyal. Like Bob Stoops would have coached at Iowa for his entire career at a fair price if offered. Jim Leonhard would have coached at Wisconsin his whole life if offered a fair deal. There are plenty of dudes with institutional loyalty where I think a school could credibly say "look, bro, we'll pay you $2 million bucks a year and give you a max of $4 million on a buyout, but if someone poaches you, we want $25 million" or some crap like that. It's like there's literally no one exercising institutional loyalty or fiduciary duties in these negotiations. It's absurd. Schools like Illinois were, prior to the last media deal, shaking down the student body at large to subsidize the damned athletic department because the revenue for football wasn't enough to foot the whole bill in the Big Ten. That should never ever ever ever happen. If you as a school administrator ever allow that to happen you have failed miserably, but it is very common in conferences that don't have the lucrative deal the Big Ten and SEC have. I can't fathom what will become of Washington State.
 
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