It's the National Championship Game.....Get the Calls

[NEIChawk]

I have a question regarding a foul on Kaminsky in the second half, as he grabbed Okafor's arms, and the play kept going as Okafor scored....continuation was called, so he scored and had a chance of the "and one".....Was this a good call? Or the appropriate call? Should that have been called "on the floor"? I'm curious

 

[lightning1]

The refs stunk that is for sure, Okafor should have been long fouled out from this game but the refs were to chicken to call anything on him late in the game, such a sham the refs have to device National Championship games, but they did.

Okafor and Winslow should have both fouled out but as another poster said, Connie got a taste of their own medicine from the refs, so you can't feel sorry for them.

 

[PCHawk]

This ^^^^^^.
2 air balls in the NC game? Really???????? He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat last night. Total choke job. The bright lights effect people differently.

Thank god for Decker that the lights at the final 4 game against undefeated Kentucky were nice and dim so he could not choke.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

Hey look another officials thread. lol

 

[mopkins]

I thought Duke clearly had a superior starting 5. The foul trouble with Okafor and Winslow really slowed them down and gave Wisconsin a chance, which they took advantage of. In the end though Dekker choked badly and the better team won.

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

When did I say that? Just posted what the foul totals were. Duke was much more aggressive attacking the rim all night long, so it makes sense Wisconsin had more fouls.

Did you think it was a poorly officiated game?

The out of bounds play that was reviewed and not overturned was a joke. They had a clear camera angle that showed the ball change trajectory. It probably wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game but it would have given Wisky a better chance.

 

[deanvogs]

So I guess Wisconsin now knows what every other team in the Big 10 feels like when they are able to bully their way thru games and get the calls. They can dish it out but can't take it.

Forgive me if I don't shed a tear for them.

There is no doubt that the first half favored Wisconsin heavily. 2 Duke starters were in foul trouble, and Wisconsin wasn't called for anything. The typical Wisconsin grab and hack was in full effect, and nothing was being called. Coach K got on the refs at half, and all of a sudden the fouling that Becky was doing in the first half (and does against every team they play) was being called in the second half. It really throws off their game when they are called for the legit fouls that they are never, ever called for. Thought it was pretty funny watching Bo, and his players melt down on every foul call, because they are soooooo used to getting away with so much crap.

 

[deanvogs]

So why post the foul totals, if you don't believe that fairly balanced fouls means the game was called fairly? Either you think it supports your point, or you don't. And it's not like fouls are the only calls that affect the game; the two biggest missed calls (both of which going in Duke's favor) didn't involve fouls.

Wisconsin had 2 first half fouls, that is a fact as well. Are you afraid of facts or something, I don't get this don't post facts or statistics thing? Take it as you want, either bolstering my argument, or refuting it, I don't care.

 

[NEIChawk]

The bottom line is Duke players came through in the clutch, whereas Wisconsin players didn't.....yes, Duke had some favorable outcomes down the stretch, but the Wisconsin players had to overcome that and still continue to play, and they flat out couldn't execute when they needed to......Wisconsin gave up a 9 point lead for cryin' out loud...they had a chance regardless of what the officials were calling (or not calling) to really open this game open....The better team won, and as they say in Chicago regarding my beloved Cubs, "there's always next year", so Wisconsin will just have to move on and so do some of the posters on this board...

 

[bws258]

that was truly awful ... the officials made 4 ******* calls down the stretch that sealed the game for Duke ... Jones flop (called on Wisc), Winslow charges (not called), Winslow steps OOB (not called), Winslow tips ball OOB (called on Wisc)

 

[tm3308]

Wisconsin had 2 first half fouls, that is a fact as well. Are you afraid of facts or something, I don't get this don't post facts or statistics thing? Take it as you want, either bolstering my argument, or refuting it, I don't care.

I don't think it bolsters your argument, but that's not the point. You try and play it off like you don't necessarily think balanced foul totals means the game was fairly called ("Where did I say that?"). If you don't think it supports your argument, there's no reason to bring it up at all.

And guess what. It's hardly wrong for a team that's not fouling to have very few fouls called against them. That's kind of how it's supposed to work. Hand checking has been allowed everywhere pretty much all season and throughout the tournament; that point of emphasis from last year already feels like it was a decade ago.

 

[Benddontbreak]

What Coach K demonstrated with his gameplan last night is that hand and body checks are not fouls if they’re 10-25 ft away from the basket, but if you go hard to the hoop and initiate contact, it is a foul.

Winslow drew fouls by literally running over his defender. Allen and Jones use their off hand as a stiff arm, then flail when they throw up an off balance shot. That Tyus Jones and 1? Are you kidding me? I guess you can give props to Coach K for exploiting the fact that they’re now calling the colllege game like the NBA, but I can’t blame Bo for being upset about it.

 

[NEIChawk]

 

[deanvogs]

I don't think it bolsters your argument, but that's not the point. You try and play it off like you don't necessarily think balanced foul totals means the game was fairly called ("Where did I say that?"). If you don't think it supports your argument, there's no reason to bring it up at all.

And guess what. It's hardly wrong for a team that's not fouling to have very few fouls called against them. That's kind of how it's supposed to work. Hand checking has been allowed everywhere pretty much all season and throughout the tournament; that point of emphasis from last year already feels like it was a decade ago.

Man you are just a typical hack journalist aren't you? Assigning all sorts of assumption of what I am thinking by simply citing a stat. Take the stat as you will, it is simply a fact. Twist it, turn it, make it into something else, use it to your pleasure, I don't care. You can cry all day long that Wisconsin didn't deserve a single foul, I'm simply citing what the officials called for fouls.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

that was truly awful ... the officials made 4 ******* calls down the stretch that sealed the game for Duke ... Jones flop (called on Wisc), Winslow charges (not called), Winslow steps OOB (not called), Winslow tips ball OOB (called on Wisc)

Both teams were flopping all over the court. Kaminsky did it within the first 3 or 4 mins of the game on Okofor.


As for the Winslow tip I can tell you IMO it has to be clear contact and I'm still not sure he really did touch that ball. Can you without a shadow of a a doubt tell me he touched that ball? I looked also at the spin and or rotation of the ball and IMO it doesn't change at all..

Video:

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[MiniMoeHawk]

Man you are just a typical hack journalist aren't you? Assigning all sorts of assumption of what I am thinking by simply citing a stat. Take the stat as you will, it is simply a fact. Twist it, turn it, make it into something else, use it to your pleasure, I don't care. You can cry all day long that Wisconsin didn't deserve a single foul, I'm simply citing what the officials called for fouls.

where did you cite all of the fouls that were not called? Did you factor in all of the charges that were not called?

 

[PCHawk]

Man you are just a typical hack journalist aren't you? Assigning all sorts of assumption of what I am thinking by simply citing a stat. Take the stat as you will, it is simply a fact. Twist it, turn it, make it into something else, use it to your pleasure, I don't care. You can cry all day long that Wisconsin didn't deserve a single foul, I'm simply citing what the officials called for fouls.

I don't think you're fooling anyone. Especially when you followed up your stat with saying it was a good day for the officials.

 

[PCHawk]

Pretty well called game tonight. 15 to 13 fouls, couple missed calls both ways, pretty solid night for the Zebra's.

Lol what an outlandish assumption tm!

 

[deanvogs]

I don't think you're fooling anyone. Especially when you followed up your stat with saying it was a good day for the officials.

Jeezzz, did you go to journalist school as well? I also asked you, what did you think of the officiating? I thought it was pretty good, and if you compared it to the UK v Wisconsin game it was like one was Jr. High school officials vs real D1 quality refs. Night and day difference, only a fool would try to say that the championship game was anything close to what a joke that final 4 game was.

 

[HawgEyeState]

that was truly awful ... the officials made 4 ******* calls down the stretch that sealed the game for Duke ... Jones flop (called on Wisc), Winslow charges (not called), Winslow steps OOB (not called), Winslow tips ball OOB (called on Wisc)

Agree with BWS, here. I'm the OP and I wasn't talking about Foul #'s.......(Someone trying to hijack My thread, meh).

As BWS points out, there were 3-4 CLEARLY WRONG calls by the officials, a) the Winslow out of bounds, B) the Winslow last touch out of bounds
C) STeps, steps

and 5) whatever

All of these were in critical last 4 mins of game.

But, yeah, I kind of laughed at Dekker's terrible game. He's No Frank the Tank.

Carry On, Hawkeye fans !!!