hawkdrummer1
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Imagine the winning team getting $1M from the sponsor. Loser gets $100K. Money goes to the players only. That's around $10K each for the winners, $1K for the losers. Could make it interesting.
ISU Out of Bowl Game
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Chickenlounge
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Wait what? I thought Campbell was having a team meeting and announcing his departure when Pollard announced his replacement via social media. He didn't ghost them as far as I know. Did I read that wrong?
Chickenlounge
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Or free <insert sponsor here> for life to the winning team. Imagine free Pop Tarts for life! Or free tires from the Goodyear Cotton Bowl. Or free insurance from the Allstate Sugar Bowl!
NorthKCHawk
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Unlike Notre Dame, this was just a dumb financial decision by ISU. They have no money. Their budget is already bleeding. You lose out on bowl money and you have to pay 500k fine?
Talk to the kids. Cobble together a coaching staff and squad. Demand that the Big 12 pull stings to make sure you play the easiest opponent available in some garbage bowl.
This is a lack of leadership at the top, which surprises me a bit.
Talk to the kids. Cobble together a coaching staff and squad. Demand that the Big 12 pull stings to make sure you play the easiest opponent available in some garbage bowl.
This is a lack of leadership at the top, which surprises me a bit.
And I don't disagree with this either.
I knew I'd never get my way after the dilution of the Big 12 and dissolution of the Pac 12.
ssckelley
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They used to give out really nice gifts to the players, not sure if they do anymore or not, but a pot of money like that would make things interesting. It would create a lot more push back from players at like Iowa State where many of them don't see a dime in NIL money.
HawkPowerlifter
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He had already accepted the position and players already knew when he chose to address them. He was accepted allegedly 2-3 days prior to the official announcement or at least was in negotiations to finalize. But the story broke on social media of him accepting prior to his meeting.
He did not have any conversations with his coaching staff and apparently from the sounds of it, would not return their calls or texts when they inquired what was going on.
HawkPowerlifter
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Paid WazzU $4 million to buy out Rodgers' contract. Penn State only had to pay $2 million to buy out Campbell's contract. And....they get fined $500K for passing on a bowl game. Math must not be their strongpoint. Nor do they care about money I guess.
SwirlinLingerie
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I know this has been discussed endlessly, but is there any good reason not to mirror the FCS set up?
24 teams make the playoffs, top 8 get byes. No conference championship games - just award conference titles based on regular season and declare co-champs with all the ties as needed in these mega conferences. Keep it simple. Start in early December with the first round (the bottom 16 teams), end in early January. Give players a significant cut/financial incentive to keep playing. Completely wrap up college football before the NFL playoffs start.
If for whatever reason, the old white dudes affiliated with the NY6 bowls still have some kind of power these days (do they?), then tag the quarterfinals with the bowl name/location. It's silly but whatever.
If non playoff teams (power 4 and group of 5) still want to get together and play some type of exhibitions or "bowls," on days there aren't playoff games, have at it. There are probably ways to break away from the current affiliations and allow for more creative/compelling games. Maybe there is a game hosted in Puerto Vallarta...you'd flip that on for 9-3 USC vs 8-4 Texas on some Thursday night in December. Or you get Iowa-BYU in Hawaii. Allow for flexibility and creativity to keep the non-playoff bowls fresh, and don't have too many of them.
Aside from the OSU-Indiana match-up, I thought this past weekend really underscored how silly and meaningless the conference championship games are. Not much compelling football there. And skim that bowl lineup? Gross. I'm a big college football fan and there aren't many games on there I'm interested....even a couple of those first round playoff games aren't likely to be very interesting.
24 teams make the playoffs, top 8 get byes. No conference championship games - just award conference titles based on regular season and declare co-champs with all the ties as needed in these mega conferences. Keep it simple. Start in early December with the first round (the bottom 16 teams), end in early January. Give players a significant cut/financial incentive to keep playing. Completely wrap up college football before the NFL playoffs start.
If for whatever reason, the old white dudes affiliated with the NY6 bowls still have some kind of power these days (do they?), then tag the quarterfinals with the bowl name/location. It's silly but whatever.
If non playoff teams (power 4 and group of 5) still want to get together and play some type of exhibitions or "bowls," on days there aren't playoff games, have at it. There are probably ways to break away from the current affiliations and allow for more creative/compelling games. Maybe there is a game hosted in Puerto Vallarta...you'd flip that on for 9-3 USC vs 8-4 Texas on some Thursday night in December. Or you get Iowa-BYU in Hawaii. Allow for flexibility and creativity to keep the non-playoff bowls fresh, and don't have too many of them.
Aside from the OSU-Indiana match-up, I thought this past weekend really underscored how silly and meaningless the conference championship games are. Not much compelling football there. And skim that bowl lineup? Gross. I'm a big college football fan and there aren't many games on there I'm interested....even a couple of those first round playoff games aren't likely to be very interesting.
ssckelley
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I'm sure this is where they are headed, if not a 32 team field. Imagine Indiana facing off against Kennesaw State (Conf USA champ) in the first round of the playoffs. That's likely where the CFP ends up, you'll have auto bids for all the conference champs and then at larges divided up between the power conferences. At some point you may even see play in games like they do in basketball, have the CUSA champ face off against the Sun Belt champ for the right to play Ohio State or Indiana.
I mean. Yes.
But I still find value in conferences. To me, conferences are a huge part of what made college football great. Why it grew. Why it made a ton of money and why tons of people watch it. Even though they knew they weren't watching the "best two teams" going head to head. The money did not come because of the BCS, or playoffs, or the march to a national title as the be-all end-all. The money came because people who loved tuning in to college football. Rivalries. Upsets. The characters of various programs. Fan bases rooted in students going haywire on campus for their team and others coming in from all over the state to setup pop-up tents and grill some food and contribute to the hooplah. The appearance of ESPN or Big Noon showing up for a compelling story that may or may not even have championship relevance. The buzz of gameweek that so many of us feel, even when the expectations are muted. I got all excited over watching my kid play a video game between Iowa and Nebraska because I felt an element of that same nervous energy of game day....over a dang video game that means absolutely ZERO.
All that is why there's eyeballs and money. That's what brought people and money into the mix. This push for playoffs is simply to grab the last bits of money left on the table is an unnecessary byproduct. And I fear it will come, to some degree, at the expense of the foundations of it all. I don't fear change. I fear implosion in an era of declining enrollment and declining participation in football and ultimately outright declining population.
Having a guy who can return kicks like nobody I've ever seen on a mid range team that's offering up some exciting football for the first time in awhile now has less meaning because of importance of playoffs.
Far too much common sense in this post.
Eliminate 1 or both of the Byes each team gets, and make the season more condensed.
Unfortunately, the conferences don't want to give up their 'championship' game because of the $$.
Chickenlounge
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Interesting. I hadn't heard that, but did read similar in a CyFan link that Fry posted in a different thread. Thanks for clarifying.
HawkPowerlifter
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I think the biggest take away was just days before he was getting kids to commit to Iowa State and it appears had every intention of wanting to leave for PSU. Brock Purdy was on "Bussin with the Boys" and sounds like maybe he was looking at USC too if Riley got relieved of his duties.
I get it probably wasn't the easiest and in the landscape of college football, it would be tough for a coach who seemed frustrated with the investment of the athletic department and their investment into the program and having the AD holding the purse strings.
However, it's not a good look when you completely conceal your intentions from guys who have coached with you for years. Likely good friends, and players you have brought through the program. I suppose you could say there's even some hypocrisy when he preached loyalty and investment. However, many athletes don't have much of that either.
I'm sensing that they are fearing that there are quite a few players that are looking for the next place to land, and likely coaches too. To get caught off guard as they apparently did, it's probably the best for them.
This is a whole 'nother thread. Which bowl becomes the most desirable with the ability to win free product for the rest of your life?
