ISU Out of Bowl Game







Kind of hard to maintain any sort of moral high ground when you behave the way the your athletic department and fans have behaved the last half of week so. Brutal top to bottom.
 


IMO, ISU will be fine not playing Minnesota in the Guaranteed Rate Bowl. They need to know if Jimmy Rogers can coach dudes up.
 


If I'm ISU, I'm not doing a bowl. Fair enough to them. Not sure about K-State's deal. Butthurt Notre Dame now out.

I've said it before...I will say it again, this need for a national champion and playoffs is bad business. Especially with the idea of wildcards.

Conference champs should be the only participants in a playoff. The conference season creates a bunch of play-in tournaments. The conference championship games are essentially the first round of playoffs. Give the Group of 5 a way to declare a champ. IDGAF if the Big 12 and Group of 5 matchups against OSU and Alabama are bad matchups and result in total destruction. Win your damn conference.

If determining a champion is the important thing, then this is the only way to do it with 130 teams. Otherwise, let's admit what it is...a money grab with a byproduct of mostly determining a champion.

It's entirely possible for Alabama and Georgia to play for a 3rd time. Indiana already beat OSU on a neutral field. There is zero point for them to play again.

There is just no need for this. For any of this. It has never been "all or nothing". It was "all" for one team...and a range of "good seasons, decent bowl games, extra practice time" for dozens of teams. Now, it does add some "all" for 12 teams...but a whole lot of "nothing" for the other 118 teams.

Just stupid.
 


dagdaj said:
If I'm ISU, I'm not doing a bowl. Fair enough to them. Not sure about K-State's deal. Butthurt Notre Dame now out.

I've said it before...I will say it again, this need for a national champion and playoffs is bad business. Especially with the idea of wildcards.

Conference champs should be the only participants in a playoff. The conference season creates a bunch of play-in tournaments. The conference championship games are essentially the first round of playoffs. Give the Group of 5 a way to declare a champ. IDGAF if the Big 12 and Group of 5 matchups against OSU and Alabama are bad matchups and result in total destruction. Win your damn conference.

If determining a champion is the important thing, then this is the only way to do it with 130 teams. Otherwise, let's admit what it is...a money grab with a byproduct of mostly determining a champion.

It's entirely possible for Alabama and Georgia to play for a 3rd time. Indiana already beat OSU on a neutral field. There is zero point for them to play again.

There is just no need for this. For any of this. It has never been "all or nothing". It was "all" for one team...and a range of "good seasons, decent bowl games, extra practice time" for dozens of teams. Now, it does add some "all" for 12 teams...but a whole lot of "nothing" for the other 118 teams.

Just stupid.
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They could go to a system like the NFL and create divisions within the conferences. Not exactly sure how they would do it but ultimately it would be the most “fair”.

The current system should expand by 4 and remove the first round bye in my opinion. Or as other have suggested the bubble play in games which wouldcreally be early bowls. Noted Dame and Vandy fell left out make them okay for a remaining spot same with any other teams. Lots of ways to do it but they would need to address the schedule and maybe cut back on 1 or 2 out of conference games. I have a feeling Notre Dame would be out of conversation if they played in a conference anyway.
 


If you make it 16 teams, people will argue over #17.

The simplest way?
Send Oregon, USC, Washington, UCLA back to the Pac 12.

Group of 5 is responsible for determining a champ.

Indiana
Georgia
Texas Tech
Duke
Pac 12 winner
Group of 5 rep

Boom. Done.
No more fighting. No arguing. The only way to determine the best team is to play the games.
 


What they should do is build out 2 40 team (based on AD budgets) conferences. Each 40 is split into 8 divisions and you play the 4 other teams of yours and rotate a common division of 5 teams Then schedule 3 random games with the other 40 Each season. Each division gets its champ into the playoffs with 8 more wildcards.

The bottom division's champs and runner-ups get bowl games.
 




dagdaj said:
If I'm ISU, I'm not doing a bowl. Fair enough to them. Not sure about K-State's deal. Butthurt Notre Dame now out.

I've said it before...I will say it again, this need for a national champion and playoffs is bad business. Especially with the idea of wildcards.

Conference champs should be the only participants in a playoff. The conference season creates a bunch of play-in tournaments. The conference championship games are essentially the first round of playoffs. Give the Group of 5 a way to declare a champ. IDGAF if the Big 12 and Group of 5 matchups against OSU and Alabama are bad matchups and result in total destruction. Win your damn conference.

If determining a champion is the important thing, then this is the only way to do it with 130 teams. Otherwise, let's admit what it is...a money grab with a byproduct of mostly determining a champion.

It's entirely possible for Alabama and Georgia to play for a 3rd time. Indiana already beat OSU on a neutral field. There is zero point for them to play again.

There is just no need for this. For any of this. It has never been "all or nothing". It was "all" for one team...and a range of "good seasons, decent bowl games, extra practice time" for dozens of teams. Now, it does add some "all" for 12 teams...but a whole lot of "nothing" for the other 118 teams.

Just stupid.
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I largely agree with this, but the bigger issue here as the lack of parity within conferences. How many Big 12 champions made the playoffs without a semifinal win? Obviously the weakest “power” conference, and has been since the playoffs began. I honestly think the only auto-bids should be the B1G and SEC champions. I know it’s never happening, but that’s may take.

I also think something in the 6-8 team range is the sweet spot. We have way too many teams now, devaluing both the regular season and the playoffs.
 


dagdaj said:
If you make it 16 teams, people will argue over #17.

The simplest way?
Send Oregon, USC, Washington, UCLA back to the Pac 12.

Group of 5 is responsible for determining a champ.

Indiana
Georgia
Texas Tech
Duke
Pac 12 winner
Group of 5 rep

Boom. Done.
No more fighting. No arguing. The only way to determine the best team is to play the games.
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No model that results in an 8-5 Duke making the playoffs is a good one. I get the sentiment, but no. Big 12 and ACC should not have autobids. We should stop pretending they’re “power” conferences anymore.
 


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