Is Wisconsin Big Brother?

Seth53 said:
#1--of course. Would he have played defense the last NINE and half minutes in the game?
#2--helped, not win by himself. Team didn't show up.
#3--Again, you're talking one guy being targeted on, what, 10 plays a game? Would he punt, make Extra points, FGs, and play defense, use timeouts wisely and make the right calls too?
#4--DJK was pretty good. So was Vandenberg.

He's one guy. If the WRs suck as you say, people simply would have smothered him, daring Iowa to go to the other 'options'
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Seth, I've seen how drunk you are before games, but your last sentence finally makes a realization. A guy like Lazard forces a defense to dedicate an extra resource to his direction. Having one all conference level WR completely changes the defense and when our other "options" are guys like Akrum Wadley who now only has to break one tackle or beat one guy instead of three because the scheme of the defense is different the whole flow of the offense is different. Do you understand how different your offense looks when your number 1 weapon is Allen Lazard rather than Matt Vandeberg? DJK and McNutt were both good receivers, but they are nowhere near the same universe as Lazard, who will play in the NFL.
 
Motigerhawk said:
You mean Wisconsin has had 4 coaches since 2004 and are still successful? Thats impossible.

I get tired of the old population crap. Minnesota has twice the population as Iowa and are the only in state school. They dont seem to benefit from that.

Wisconsin has had a better AD that demands success. That is the big difference.
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Minnesota might as well be Canada. Two reasons they don't benefit are Iowa and Wisconsin football - we take a huge chunk of the good college players. A third reason they don't benefit is that a lot of the best athletes up there play hockey rather than football.

How is Wisconsin's demand for success working out for basketball?
 
Seth53 said:
True, bigger population in Wis than Iowa.

You're giving ISUx wayyyy too much credit as a roster disrupter.

How many studly native Iowa players have opted for ISU over Iowa? Not many.

Iowa loses its studly native players to out of state schools, especially WRs.
Wisky stud players stay home.

The 2017 Iowa roster had #57 native Iowans on it.
The 2017 Wisky roster had #54 native cheese-heads on it.

About the same. Maybe that indicates the quality of cheese-head recruit is better.
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While Iowa State doesn't steal many recruits we have to expend effort and money to combat them
 
It’s difficult to even compare these two programs because they’re so far apart right now.

Since the 2010 game, Wisconsin is consistently in the top 10-15. Iowa is consistently not ranked. Wisconsin has won the west 3 times to Iowa’s 1. And Wisconsin won division titles before the current alignment began in 2014. Iowa hasn’t beaten Wisconsin in Kinnick in a decade. Wisconsin is a physical program. Iowa is a finesse program
 
okeefe4prez said:
Minnesota might as well be Canada. Two reasons they don't benefit are Iowa and Wisconsin football - we take a huge chunk of the good college players. A third reason they don't benefit is that a lot of the best athletes up there play hockey rather than football.

How is Wisconsin's demand for success working out for basketball?
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I think they are entitled to a down season or even 2, after the last decade of success. Let me know if Alvarez gives him an extension this year.
 
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Xerxes said:
It’s difficult to even compare these two programs because they’re so far apart right now.

Since the 2010 game, Wisconsin is consistently in the top 10-15. Iowa is consistently not ranked. Wisconsin has won the west 3 times to Iowa’s 1. And Wisconsin won division titles before the current alignment began in 2014. Iowa hasn’t beaten Wisconsin in Kinnick in a decade. Wisconsin is a physical program. Iowa is a finesse program
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They aren't even close.
 
BEATHARDTEAMS said:
Winsconsin Record

2004 Alvarez 9–3 6–2
2005 Alvarez 10–3 5–3
2006 Bielema 12–1 7–1
2007 Bielema 9–4 5–3
2008 Bielema 7–6 3–5
2009 Bielema 10–3 5–3
2010 Bielema 11–2 7–1
2011 Bielema 11–3 6–2
2012 Bielema/Alvarez 8–6 4–4
2013 Andersen 9–4 6–2
2014 Andersen/Alvarez 1
2015 Chryst 10–3 6–2
2016 Chryst 11–3 7–2
2017 Chryst 13–1
(pretty impressive)

Vs Iowa Record

2004 10-2
2005 7-5
2006 6-7
2007 6-6
2008 9-4
2009 11-2
2010 8-5
2011 7-6
2012 4-8
2013 8-5
2014 7-6
2015 12-2
2016 8-5
2017 8-5

we are also currently 1-5 in the last 6 years head to head.....

is wisconsin able to get better recruits? aren't they lil ol wisconsin? or does it come down to coaching and schemes?
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We're probably the middle brother, if going by last six years, nebby is the baby.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Minnesota might as well be Canada. Two reasons they don't benefit are Iowa and Wisconsin football - we take a huge chunk of the good college players. A third reason they don't benefit is that a lot of the best athletes up there play hockey rather than football.

How is Wisconsin's demand for success working out for basketball?
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So the population thing only works when it fits your narrative. Got it.

As for basketball, here are their records since 2004:

2004-05 25-9
2005-06 19-12
2006-07 30-6
2007-08 31-5
2008-09 20-13
2009-10 24-9
2010-11 25-9
2011-12 26-10
2012-13 23-12
2013-14 30-8
2014-15 36-4
2015-16 22-13
2016-17 27-10

Yeah. No success there.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Seth, I've seen how drunk you are before games, but your last sentence finally makes a realization. A guy like Lazard forces a defense to dedicate an extra resource to his direction. Having one all conference level WR completely changes the defense and when our other "options" are guys like Akrum Wadley who now only has to break one tackle or beat one guy instead of three because the scheme of the defense is different the whole flow of the offense is different. Do you understand how different your offense looks when your number 1 weapon is Allen Lazard rather than Matt Vandeberg? DJK and McNutt were both good receivers, but they are nowhere near the same universe as Lazard, who will play in the NFL.
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Nowhere's as drunk as I've seen Xerxes

chuckle
 
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Motigerhawk said:
So the population thing only works when it fits your narrative. Got it.

As for basketball, here are their records since 2004:

2004-05 25-9
2005-06 19-12
2006-07 30-6
2007-08 31-5
2008-09 20-13
2009-10 24-9
2010-11 25-9
2011-12 26-10
2012-13 23-12
2013-14 30-8
2014-15 36-4
2015-16 22-13
2016-17 27-10

Yeah. No success there.
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Population is a driver of success, but not in every case. PA, OH and MI have pretty big populations and their flagship programs are probably the three best programs over the long haul in the Big Ten. That's not a coincidence. Illinois is also a pretty big state, but their program has sucked so bad for so long that the population doesn't help them and their kids get poached by any number of BCS schools within a few hours's drive of Chicagoland. Minnesota has that same problem, but theirs is compounded by the fact that a lot of the best athletes in Minnesota who have a good frame for football play hockey instead. Just like a lot of the best athletes in Illinois are in Chicago proper and the opportunities for football there are pretty sparse, but there are a ton of solid hoops players. Same thing happens in NYC.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Population is a driver of success, but not in every case. PA, OH and MI have pretty big populations and their flagship programs are probably the three best programs over the long haul in the Big Ten. That's not a coincidence. Illinois is also a pretty big state, but their program has sucked so bad for so long that the population doesn't help them and their kids get poached by any number of BCS schools within a few hours's drive of Chicagoland. Minnesota has that same problem, but theirs is compounded by the fact that a lot of the best athletes in Minnesota who have a good frame for football play hockey instead. Just like a lot of the best athletes in Illinois are in Chicago proper and the opportunities for football there are pretty sparse, but there are a ton of solid hoops players. Same thing happens in NYC.
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Look out.....!

Ken in the house.....

:cool:
 
okeefe4prez said:
How is Wisconsin's demand for success working out for basketball?
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Lol. One down year after going to the sweet 16 or better 4 consecutive seasons. They are without their starting PG and another top guy who had season ending injuries in the non conference, and to boot they are still going to finish ahead of Iowa this year.
 
Wisconsin is running circles around Iowa in athletics and has been for quite some time.

The population argument doesn’t explain how far apart these two programs are. Also I’m not even sure how many of their starters are even from Wisconsin.

If you follow recruiting rankings UW has basically recruited at iowa’s Level over the last several years, but they are completely outclassing them on the field.

UW is better because they have an AD who demands results and a fanbase who expects them.
 
Wisconsin’s projected defensive depth chart for next year has one starter from in state. I don’t think that argument applies.
 
uihawk82 said:
They not only have bigger offensive linemen by about 20 lbs a man but they do more straightahead smash mouth blocking, they have become the bullies of the Big 10 West and even the Big 10.. The hawk's zone blocking scheme has been getting eaten up for some years because we don't have the really good fast cutback runners like in the early 2000's and we don't use any counterplays or jet sweep action etc to keep the defense from just running towards our first motion.

The hawk offensive line does pretty well between the tackles but maybe just not fast enough to get the zone block reaches consistently.
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And yet a couple years ago we had 2 not 1 but 2 of the 1,000 yard rushers in the same backfield, yeah but our rushing attack has sucked forever.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Minnesota might as well be Canada. Two reasons they don't benefit are Iowa and Wisconsin football - we take a huge chunk of the good college players. A third reason they don't benefit is that a lot of the best athletes up there play hockey rather than football.

How is Wisconsin's demand for success working out for basketball?
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19 straight years in the tournament. Final Four, National Runner Up, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen in the last 4 years. I'd say better than just about every school in the nation.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
UW is better because they have an AD who demands results and a fanbase who expects them.
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He learned under the best (Fry) and took that philosophy to a sports-starved environment. Iowa used to run circles around Wisky in both FB and BB. Now there's a better leadership team in place. Hiring better staffs, etc. Iowa State doesn't hurt us. That argument is bogus. Wisconsin is ahead of us due to a better AD, trickling down to better coaching, trickling down to better players. Pretty simple.
 
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