whammer33024
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that wasn't the original argument. the original argument was "is two conference titles in 15 seasons good enough for you?". compared to the rest of the b1g, i'd say yes.
Is two conference titles in 15 seasons good enough for you?
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PeoriaHWKI
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Let's get something straight... it was 2 shared titles. KF has not won an outright title in his tenure.
Section136
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And Hayden only won 1 outright in 20 years.
No, it's called picking the numbers that most fit your own argument. I did the same thing to fit my argument.
If you say yes, that is your opinion. I do agree with you, I was jsut making the point that it isn't as great as some may feel.
2 in 15 years, 0 in the last 8. See the difference? ESPN and other sports commentators use it all the time to make a player sound better or worse to fit their situation.
For example, this hitter is 2-12 in his last three games, that is a .167 batting average but he hit 2 home runs in those 2 hits.
So the color guy will say, he is only hitting .167 batting average in the past three games, he is in a slump.
Or he might say he has 2 home runs in the past 3 games, leaving out the batting average.
PeoriaHWKI
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LOL, I love this argument. We get it you hate KF and want him fired but please stop with this crap. Say we have sucked the last couple of years, the 2010 team vastly under performed based on the talent we had on the roster, etc. but I sure as hell don't remember anyone ******** about those "shared" BT titles the years they happened.
whammer33024
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i didn't pick any numbers other than the ones the OP posted. 15 years. iowa has 2 conference titles in those years. whether it was in 99 and 00 doesn't matter. i simply stated we have won 2 conference titles in that timeframe and posted the conference winners during that timeframe.
Sorry, Whammer, not you specifically I know you are just using the OP's info but that is my point is you can use numbers to "spin" to an argument. Some people are better at it than others. It is always the same argument people use to defend or against ISU trolls. ISU uses Ferentz record against ISU. Iowa fans usually use the overall record the record of '08 to '10 when Iowa dominated ISU.
2 conference titles in 15 years (argument made by KF supports) is better than 0 conference titles in the past 8 years (argument made by KF non-supports).
I wasn't calling you out, but the fact still remains that people can "cherry pick" numbers that is it and that is what happened here.
Section136
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Sure did. And KF has 5 more years to tie or pass him.
^^ I agree about LOL about the angst of shared B1G titles. How can you get better than 8-0 record and a share in 2002. Why would someone worry if they shared the title because of not playing osu. And 7-1 I think in 2004, crap and our only loss was to the other champ team.
Titles are titles. The players and coaches earned them and deserve them and fans should love them.
How about the poor clone fans who have zero titles over 100 years to not gloat about!!! tee hee hee giggle giggle
Are you sure he has 5 years?
Section136
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He will be here at least 4 more. Depends on if he wants to keep coaching after Steven is done playing.
whammer33024
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i decided to look at the last 8 years for a frame of reference on what has happened those years.
2005- ohio state
2006- ohio state
2007- ohio state
2008- ohio state
2009- ohio state
2010- michigan state and wisconsin shared
2011- wisconsin
2012- wisconsin(should be said that ohio state was ineligible for postseason play but was undefeated)
so in those 8 years, ohio state won outright 5 times(could be argued 6 if you add 2012). only wisconsin and michigan state have any other championship claim.
that leaves 8 schools(not including nebraska here) that should fire their coaches and burn down their stadiums.
That seems a bit extreme but I see your point.
F.Y.I. in those 8 years, if you exclude OSU, MSU and Wisky that leaves 8 schools as you pointed out. Well, 6 schools have fired their coach for that exact reason: Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, PSU didn't fire JoePa but it was reported he was asked to step down many times.
So that only leaves Iowa and Northwestern and it is debatable to say that Northwestern has gotten better each year under Pat F. Iowa has gotten worse each of the past 3 years.
Just something to think about.
DexterMorgan
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This is the problem. 2 Conference champs in 15 years is acceptable. Not ideal, but acceptable as long as you're competing year in and year out.
busabus114
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I think this is the correct answer...If we won a Big Ten title every 8 years and won 7-9 games every other year I think that would be very solid. Its the years where we absolutely suck with no adjustments or urgency that get everyones panties in a wad
Bus, this is the way I feel. I just don't think KF can do it anymore. I hope he can, but I don't have much faith left, especially after this past season.
homes
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The number of championships isn't the problem (although more is better), it's the inordinate number of games they lose to teams they should beat that always bugs me. In the past 8 years, they've won 8 or more games only 3 times. If they'd have beaten teams they were favored in in those years, it would be a lot quieter around here. For some context, Iowa hasn't won a BT basketball championship in 34 years (sorry, winning the BTT isn't the same thing). In that time, Iowa has won 5 football titles. Illinois, Indiana, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue and Penn State should be so fortunate.
Let me ask you this how many did OSU, PSU, Mich., Wisconsin, now Neb., & MSU expect? do any of those expect less than Iowa? How many does that leave?
I think Illinois, Purdue, and Northwestern are probably a step down, but if 2 is good for Iowa do you think they at least want 1?
If we have 15 titles to pass out how many does that leave? Actually, when you look at it in those terms, I will sign up for 2 titles every 15 years for Iowa.
