Is it us? Is it Iowa that is the problem?

hawkeye12345

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I'm sitting here just scratching my head after I just watched the 1st half of the most pathetic excuse of a basketball game that I think I have ever witnessed in my life. I honestly thought that I just watched a high school girls basketball team play against a mens college team...that's how bad we are mismatched athletically.

So instead of talk about how bad Lick is and how bad our players are and how low our team has sunk I thought I would throw an alternative thought out there......have our facilities become so out of date that the best talent we can get is actually on the floor tonight for the Hawkeyes? I'm serious too.

I kept thinking that alford was full of himself when he made statement after statement about needing new facilities in order to compete. In fact, the article that I posted a few days ago, which was an interview of alford earlier THIS YEAR talking about how great NM facilities were and how that was one of the biggest differences for him and his staff and how much easier it was to recruit to the pit.

I personally have a hard time believing that a facility that was built in 1983 is that out of date. I personally have a hard time believing that we will pay a coach over $1 million dollars a year (which is a top 20 salary in country by the way) if we know without a doubt that the kids of today just aren't going to come because our facilities are out of date and we don't have the proper practice / weight room / training staff in order to compete.

I know this may sound strange but maybe alford was right. First time shame on him, second time shame on us. alford now has a midmajor in the top 15 in the country. He couldn't do squat at Iowa. We hire a national coach of the year who took a midmajor to the Sweet 16 (twice I believe) and our team flat out sucks. They are the same coaches telling recruits the same thing but the only thing in common is Iowa.

Could it really be Iowa that is the problem? And how do we correct it? Is it to late to correct it?
 
Iowa's not the problem. It's been successful before. Just need someone that can recruit and able to adjust their system to the strengths and abilities of the players they do have.
 
The main problem both coaches had was poor recruiting and a lack of team chemistry. Alford brought Neal in and things started to improve to some extent. So far Lick has chosen to stand pat with his staff is paying the price.
 
-------------------------------------------- This line is as high as a program can get
---Duke
---North Carolina
---Kansas









----- Iowa (under Alford)
-----Iowa State

--------------------------------------------- This line represents mediocrity













----- Iowa (under Lickliter)

------------------------- This is as low as a program gets. The worst of the worst.




A program doesn't just have that big of a jump from a little above average to near bottom. It's not the facility's fault, it's the coach.

Hey, is there a chance Kirk Ferentz knows anything about basketball? Maybe he could coach. He might do better than Lickliter.
 
How about stopping, taking a look at the facilities in Minnesota, sit and think about what you asked, then add in Tubby's recruiting and add that into the mix of thought.

Its not IOWA. It has nothing to do with Alford. You do the rest.
 
The facilities are an issue in my opinion. I don't see why anyone would want to practice at the time that the players have to and I don't see why anyone would want their other practice option to be the field house. That problem seems to getting resolved (hopefully).

The state of Iowa is not a problem, teams have won in this state before and teams have been successful in other states similar to ours before.
 
This is going to be taken poorly & that's fine, but what will the excuse be when the facility is completed? we should be able to sell the idea to recruits right now. they can see the drawings & hole outside Carver to know it will be there.
 
I'm sitting here just scratching my head after I just watched the 1st half of the most pathetic excuse of a basketball game that I think I have ever witnessed in my life. I honestly thought that I just watched a high school girls basketball team play against a mens college team...that's how bad we are mismatched athletically.

So instead of talk about how bad Lick is and how bad our players are and how low our team has sunk I thought I would throw an alternative thought out there......have our facilities become so out of date that the best talent we can get is actually on the floor tonight for the Hawkeyes? I'm serious too.

I kept thinking that alford was full of himself when he made statement after statement about needing new facilities in order to compete. In fact, the article that I posted a few days ago, which was an interview of alford earlier THIS YEAR talking about how great NM facilities were and how that was one of the biggest differences for him and his staff and how much easier it was to recruit to the pit.

I personally have a hard time believing that a facility that was built in 1983 is that out of date. I personally have a hard time believing that we will pay a coach over $1 million dollars a year (which is a top 20 salary in country by the way) if we know without a doubt that the kids of today just aren't going to come because our facilities are out of date and we don't have the proper practice / weight room / training staff in order to compete.

I know this may sound strange but maybe alford was right. First time shame on him, second time shame on us. alford now has a midmajor in the top 15 in the country. He couldn't do squat at Iowa. We hire a national coach of the year who took a midmajor to the Sweet 16 (twice I believe) and our team flat out sucks. They are the same coaches telling recruits the same thing but the only thing in common is Iowa.

Could it really be Iowa that is the problem? And how do we correct it? Is it to late to correct it?

Remember what the Oakland coach said about our facilities?
 
Our facilities are flat out terrible compared to other division one schools. 1983 doesn't seem so long ago but it is 2010, which means that it is 27 years old. It isn't the only problem but to say it isn't a factor that comes into play would be unwise.
 
Let's just call it a contributing factor. Nothing more nothing less.

This is what I think. The facilities are an issue, but it didn't stop Alford from winning more than he lost at Iowa. Lickliter is falling well short of anything Alford did at Iowa, and the times haven't changed that much in the past 3 years. We can't say that Alford had anything Lickliter doesn't have. It is the coaching staff that is the real problem here.

The facilities will be a good thing for the program, and that is being remedied. But I don't think even a new facility would suddenly change things so that this coaching staff is suddenly bringing in the Fab 5 every year.
 
KU, UNC, the rest of the perennial powerhouses could have outhouses for bathrooms and an outdoor blacktop for a practice facility and if they were still on ESPN and CBS every game and were in the final four regularly and were treated as the biggest balls on campus the best players would still go there...who was the last person Iowa put in the NBA that had any kind of career (and I mean career like even 3 years straight of actually playing), Matt Bullard? This is one of the major problems I see with the perception of Iowa basketball...
 
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Let's blame it on everything except Lickliter being in over his head and having no clue what he is doing...how about that. Will that make everyone feel better? Let's just keep asking questions like this (yes the facilities are poor but they are being renovated so Lickliter has NO excuse about facilities now) rather than just saying "The emperor has no clothes."

After he loses most of these guys and the team just gives up before the end of the year what will be everyone's excuse then? What happens to this team when they end with something like 6 to 8 wins FOR THE YEAR? Do they still have faith in Lickliter and "his system?" Or do some transfer ...again because they can't stand it?
 
KU, UNC, the rest of the perennial powerhouses could have outhouses for bathrooms and an outdoor blacktop for a practice facility and if they were still on ESPN and CBS every game and were in the final four regularly and were treated as the biggest balls on campus the best players would still go there...who was the last person Iowa put in the NBA that had any kind of career (and I mean career like even 3 years straight of actually playing), Matt Bullard? This is one of the major problems I see with the perception of Iowa basketball...

Ricky Davis count??? Bowen played 11+ years but never made major contributions
 

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