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Iowafarmgirl said:
TM, this is just a royally foolish topic to try and justify your unjustified hate. Oregon is clearly not a fraud. They lost the national championship on a last second field goal; they didn't get blown off the field.

Interestingly enough, the PAC 10 team, where you claim they don't play defense, played an excellent defensive game last night, and held Auburn to 2 touchdowns under their average.
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1. I clearly just said that I think Oregon as a whole has a very good team. And the offense is still good. But it's not anywhere close to the unstoppable force that ESPN makes it out to be all season.

2. Oregon has a good defense. Now, outside of practice, when does Oregon's defense square off against its offense?
 
tm3308, im not sure when you come up with your opinions, your not the first to say that oregons offense and others like it is a gimmick, people have had that opinion for a long time. chip kelly has a philosophy that works most of the time some times it doesnt. same with any other coaching philosophy, does that make it a fraud, i dont think so, and ive had that opinion since before september
 
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ajbrand33 said:
im not sure when you come up with your opinions, your not the first to say that oregons offense and others like it is a gimmick, people have had that opinion for a long time. chip kelly has a philosophy that works most of the time some times it doesnt. same with any other coaching philosophy, does that make it a fraud, i dont think so, and ive had that opinion since before september
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I just don't think it's a coincidence that their rushing attack, the "Blur", stands still everytime they face a good defense that can stop the run (see: BSU, OSU, Auburn). In those three losses over the past 2 seasons, Oregon TOTALLED 275 rushing yards.
 
tm3308 said:
I just don't think it's a coincidence that their rushing attack, the "Blur", stands still everytime they face a good defense that can stop the run (see: BSU, OSU, Auburn). In those three losses over the past 2 seasons, Oregon TOTALLED 275 rushing yards.
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Rushing offenses slow down against good rushing defenses? *gasp* Someone get the president on the line!

As for that no run defense Pac 10, they held Iowa to 29 yards rushing on 26 attempts...and that is back when we had Hampton and Robinson.
 
tm3308 said:
I just don't think it's a coincidence that their rushing attack, the "Blur", stands still everytime they face a good defense that can stop the run (see: BSU, OSU, Auburn). In those three losses over the past 2 seasons, Oregon TOTALLED 275 rushing yards.
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and sometimes Iowa's offense fails to show up when we win, let alone when we lose, does that make it a fraud? fact of the matter is oregon has been to a rose bowl and a BCS national championship game it the last two years with that offense, i for one am envious of that.
 
ajbrand33 said:
and sometimes Iowa's offense fails to show up when we win, let alone when we lose, does that make it a fraud? fact of the matter is oregon has been to a rose bowl and a BCS national championship game it the last two years with that offense, i for one am envious of that.
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I'm sorry, our offense was labeled a juggernaut by ESPN, when, exactly? We're KNOWN for having an average (at best) offense.
 
Iowafarmgirl said:
Rushing offenses slow down against good rushing defenses? *gasp* Someone get the president on the line!

As for that no run defense Pac 10, they held Iowa to 29 yards rushing on 26 attempts...and that is back when we had Hampton and Robinson.
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As I said, I wouldn't be surprised by them being SLOWED down. But by no means should they be SHUT down if they were as good as everyone makes them out to be.

And I think we all pretty effectively determined that Arizona was able to pin their ears back and blitz like crazy because of the quick lead the got against us. Not hard to stop the run when you can blitz with reckless abandon on every play.
 
tm3308 said:
I'm sorry, our offense was labeled a juggernaut by ESPN, when, exactly? We're KNOWN for having an average (at best) offense.
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im just trying to figure out how you can call oregons offense a fraud when it gets them to BCS games in consecutive years. we all know they didnt win those games but it put them in position. they get the chance to play for rose bowls and national championships, gimmick? yes i think so, fraud? hardly
 
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ajbrand33 said:
im just trying to figure out how you can call oregons offens a fraud when it gets them to BCS games in consecutive years. we all know they didnt win those games but it put them in position. they get the chance to play for rose bowls and national championships, gimmick? yes i think so, fraud? hardly
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So if UCONN makes it to the BCS next year, then they're just a very good team? Even if they make it at 8-4 again? Virginia Tech makes it all the time out of the ACC, but that doesn't mean they're really that good.

That offense is made out to be unstoppable. It's nowhere near it when they play actual competition outside of the Pac-10. When that offense puts up a good game against a defense like they saw last night, I'll lay off. Not amazing, like they appeared to be all year. Just a good game.
 
tm3308 said:
I just don't think it's a coincidence that their rushing attack, the "Blur", stands still everytime they face a good defense that can stop the run (see: BSU, OSU, Auburn). In those three losses over the past 2 seasons, Oregon TOTALLED 275 rushing yards.
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Stanford's defense is pretty good, Oregon dropped 50 some on them.
 
tm3308 said:
So if UCONN makes it to the BCS next year, then they're just a very good team? Even if they make it at 8-4 again? Virginia Tech makes it all the time out of the ACC, but that doesn't mean they're really that good.

That offense is made out to be unstoppable. It's nowhere near it when they play actual competition outside of the Pac-10. When that offense puts up a good game against a defense like they saw last night, I'll lay off. Not amazing, like they appeared to be all year. Just a good game.
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Did you think Ohio St was a good team from 2006-08? Because they dominated the B10 during those years, but couldn't win a BCS game and people made the same argument.
 
So...lose by a last second field goal in the title game and you're a fraud?

Go 12-1 and come within a freak play (Dyer's 37 yard run after rolling over a Duck player on the ground) of going to overtime and maybe winning a national title and you're a fraud?

I think that's just a little bit harsh. Is every team that isn't Auburn a fraud?

Oregon didn't fare well at the line of scrimmage and almost won.

Oregon's running game was shut down and they still had a shot at the end.

Oregon wasn't able to do what they did to most teams all year, but that doesn't mean they're a fraud.
 
tm3308 said:
So if UCONN makes it to the BCS next year, then they're just a very good team? Even if they make it at 8-4 again? Virginia Tech makes it all the time out of the ACC, but that doesn't mean they're really that good.

That offense is made out to be unstoppable. It's nowhere near it when they play actual competition outside of the Pac-10. When that offense puts up a good game against a defense like they saw last night, I'll lay off. Not amazing, like they appeared to be all year. Just a good game.
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well to use the argument you used against me, nobody makes the UCONN or VT offense out to be a juggernaut either, but thats besides the point. i think its best we agree to disagree fellow hawk fan. one thing we can agree on is the espn does overhype things and thats why when an espn proclaimed offensive juggernaut fails to work on the big stage its a big letdown and we as fans start reacting to what they have fed us.

it is all ESPN's fault

truce?
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Stanford's defense is pretty good, Oregon dropped 50 some on them.
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Stanford's rush defense was okay, but that unit doesn't have a lot of speed overall. They allowed an average of 125 ypg, but they also faced the fewest carries in the Pac-10 at 372. Even Oregon, who was playing half the time being up by 3 TD's, saw more rushes than Stanford did. They (Stanford) also allowed an average of 4.05 ypc (no one in the top 20 allowed more than 3.79 ypc). Now you can say that number is bloated by the Oregon game, but consider that Arizona State and California both have ypc allowed averages below 3.64 ypc. ASU held the Duck rushing attack to 125 yards on 36 carries (3.5 ypc). Cal held them to 162 yards on 55 carries (2.9 ypc).

Again I say, this offense is NOWHERE near unstoppable.
 
shonblatt said:
So...lose by a last second field goal in the title game and you're a fraud?

Go 12-1 and come within a freak play (Dyer's 37 yard run after rolling over a Duck player on the ground) of going to overtime and maybe winning a national title and you're a fraud?

I think that's just a little bit harsh. Is every team that isn't Auburn a fraud?

Oregon didn't fare well at the line of scrimmage and almost won.

Oregon's running game was shut down and they still had a shot at the end.

Oregon wasn't able to do what they did to most teams all year, but that doesn't mean they're a fraud.
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I didn't say the whole team was a fraud. But the "Blur" is. They almost won because Auburn's pass defense is VERY weak (106th in the nation), and Oregon's defense also played an EXCELLENT game. I'm not talking about the entire team, just the "unstoppable" offense.

ajbrand33 said:
well to use the argument you used against me, nobody makes the UCONN or VT offense out to be a juggernaut either, but thats besides the point. i think its best we agree to disagree fellow hawk fan. one thing we can agree on is the espn does overhype things and thats why when an espn proclaimed offensive juggernaut fails to work on the big stage its a big letdown and we as fans start reacting to what they have fed us.

it is all ESPN's fault

truce?
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My point was that making a BCS game isn't (or at least shouldn't) be the standard by which we determine a great team, because plenty of teams that AREN'T great make it in. But I will agree to disagree, and this is DEFINITELY ESPN's fault :D
 
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