Iowa's Biggest Need

sportstalent

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Baskeball players or Athletes.
Does Coach Fran need one or the other?
My view: Coach Fran can make athletes basketball players with the style of play he uses. Iowa has some basketball players in Gatens, Payne, May, Cole, Marble Jr. and McCabe. The one pure athlete on the team: Melsahn Basabe.
 
May is a fantastic athlete that will thrive in the up tempo style of play. From All accounts Marble Jr is also a nice athlete.

That said, I think coach needs some more horses that can run right now more than anything, but they have to be able to contrubute right away. We can't get raw athletes that need too much time to develop. Honestly I think we are only a couple of good players from being a much better team.
 
Baskeball players or Athletes.
Does Coach Fran need one or the other?
My view: Coach Fran can make athletes basketball players with the style of play he uses. Iowa has some basketball players in Gatens, Payne, May, Cole, Marble Jr. and McCabe. The one pure athlete on the team: Melsahn Basabe.

The skill set that Fran appears to be looking for is one that will allow a player to attack the basket on a superior level. Generally, that is going to mean the long lean athletes. However, one can also attack from outside, so if a player can do both and be effective that seems to be the preference.

UncleHawk
 
Baskeball players or Athletes.
Does Coach Fran need one or the other?
My view: Coach Fran can make athletes basketball players with the style of play he uses. Iowa has some basketball players in Gatens, Payne, May, Cole, Marble Jr. and McCabe. The one pure athlete on the team: Melsahn Basabe.

I know May is white and all, but by your strange ranking system he's much more of an athlete than a basketball player. He's pretty raw, but is def an above average athlete in the B10. But this is just a stupid question, we need talented, B-10 level players. Of course you need to be a good athlete to be successful in the B10 but getting some great athlete with very limited basketball skills isn't going to help us either.
 
A big who can board and control the paint on the defensive end. That's their biggest need.
 
But this is just a stupid question, we need talented, B-10 level players. Of course you need to be a good athlete to be successful in the B10 but getting some great athlete with very limited basketball skills isn't going to help us either.

This. It isn't going to be layup and dunk drills all game long just because Fran wants to run more uptempo. The team is still going to have to be able to execute and score in a half-court game (this IS still the Big Ten, after all). Fast breaking won't help much if we don't have players that can put the ball in the hole. We need players that have basketball skills.

Good athletes are a plus, but we need good basketball players more than anything.

I've seen the Hawks play some non-conference cupcake teams that are made up of nothing but black players so they are athletic, but they are still a horrible team because none of them can shoot, etc.
 
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I know May is white and all, but by your strange ranking system he's much more of an athlete than a basketball player. He's pretty raw, but is def an above average athlete in the B10. But this is just a stupid question, we need talented, B-10 level players. Of course you need to be a good athlete to be successful in the B10 but getting some great athlete with very limited basketball skills isn't going to help us either.

First, this isn't white or black. May is an exceptional athlete and I expect him to that this year just like he was Iowa's best athlete. All indications point that Basabe is a top tier athlete that needs to hone his game. I will take a roster full of Eric May's, he plays hard, has a bit of chip on his shoulder and has nothing but good things ahead of him. There was no ranking system, May's ommision was just that, not intentional.
As far as the question at hand, every player that plays D1 basketball is just that, a basketball player at some level. The question at hand really is this, how good of a teacher is Fran McCaffery? I feel that he can get more athletic players and teach them to play and mold them into all-around basketball players.
What type of player does Coach Fran get? Does he get a good mix of fundamentalist players and athletes or favor one or the other?
In the beginning, I felt that Coach Fran was on the "athlete" side with raw basketball skills, but with the offers of late to Thomas Gipson, Uthoff, Jesperson, Ross Travis and now Josh Oglesby, it looks to be a mix.
The only reason I had Marble Jr on the basketball player side more than an athlete is this: Read any article or assessment of him, "Basketball IQ" is used all the time, he has a great mind for the game. He studies, he doesn't have the biggest frame, but he still gets the job done because he knows how to play the game.
We all know Iowa needs to add to the solid group of talent that is there, but Iowa needs an athletic frontcourt with size and physicality to compete with the other teams in the Big Ten.
The Big Ten is loaded in the senior class, if Iowa puts together a solid, not spectacular 2011 class with some size, Iowa will not be down as long as what some may believe. Iowa has a good core group and the 2010 class will get a lot of experience and a lot of growth in a hurry, put some complementary pieces with that group and year two will be interesting.
 
May is a fantastic athlete that will thrive in the up tempo style of play. From All accounts Marble Jr is also a nice athlete.

That said, I think coach needs some more horses that can run right now more than anything, but they have to be able to contrubute right away. We can't get raw athletes that need too much time to develop. Honestly I think we are only a couple of good players from being a much better team.

I agree 100% with your last statement.
The way I look at the big picture is this: With the amount of scholarships that are going to be available in the next couple of years, Iowa can afford to get one of those raw atheletes, redshirt him and see what he can do. If Coach Fran is the teacher he has shown so far, that kind of player could be something special. Iowa doesn't need to rush out and go recruit 5 of those players in the next two seasons, maybe one, possibly two.
 
A big man (6'9"+) who can run the floor and rebound. I don't care if he's an athlete, a basketball player or a tiddly winks player, as long as he can run and rebound .. .. and get decent grades.

GO HAWKS!!!
 
I agree 100% with your last statement.
The way I look at the big picture is this: With the amount of scholarships that are going to be available in the next couple of years, Iowa can afford to get one of those raw atheletes, redshirt him and see what he can do. If Coach Fran is the teacher he has shown so far, that kind of player could be something special. Iowa doesn't need to rush out and go recruit 5 of those players in the next two seasons, maybe one, possibly two.

The only way Iowa could redshirt a guy would be if the guy was like 7 feet and needed to work with a strength coach. Otherwise, the guy needs to play. Anyone else that is not able to at least contribute a few minutes a game is not going to develop into a Big Ten player. Basketball is NOT football. Again, unless it is a Big Man that can survive on a limited set of skills, you don't have enough time to develop a player enough to take one who is completely not ready to contribute.
 
Another big need for Iowa basketball is fan support.

Very true. It is going to be tough to get it rolling without the fans making a leap of faith. Not easy,but as we all know during the dark years in football(1961-1979), Iowa fans kept coming in good numbers. That allowed us to attract Hayden,who was amazed by the loyalty.
If we could just get 7-8k in the house for the non-conference games,then 13k in the house for conference games....good start. Recruits watch it.
 
Another big need for Iowa basketball is fan support.

Storm, I agree 100 percent on this one. I also think with all the positive energy Fran has created the fans will begin to come back sooner, rather than later. This offseason there have been a couple of negatives, but there has been more positive media coverage for Iowa than there has been in the past decade. It shows, otherwise, there would be little to no interest from the 2011 class, well, some of these nationally ranked kids like Harris, Katenda, Lawson and Burke. The fans and the players will come sooner, not later. I am amazed at how much momentum Fran has created for a program that won 10 games. I am not getting ahead of myself here, Iowa still must not lose to teams that they should beat when the season begins, that will be a killer.
 
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