HawkeyeDenis
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I would give the edge to Penn State. The total score might not get over 30 but it's going to be tough going for Iowa.
Iowa/Penn State
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STILLBUSTER
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Can't stop the run; can't get the run going. It'll be there for the taking but will end up a pedestrian loss.
Nits 27 - Iowuh 13 (King gets another pick 6.)
Nits 27 - Iowuh 13 (King gets another pick 6.)
ClintonIAfan
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I am actually very serious about what should have happened to them. Here is the way it should have been since what they did was worse than the SMU cash payments:
2012 psu banned from all games.
2013 psu banned from having home games.
2014, 2015 psu prohibition, no bowls add revenue etc.
Loss of 55 scholarships.
No off campus recruiting until 2014.
SMU went from a powerhouse to going going 64-158-3 from 1986-2015 for violations that were far less harmful than the things done at psu. It has also come out that Joe Pa had player's grades changed in addition to the other incidents. Their program should have been hurt at least as bad as SMU's was.
Since the NCAA did not have the guts to do what should have been done it is no up to each and every team they play to put in the extra effort to make psu a losing program for the next generation. I am sure that Iowa is doing what it takes to help make this happen!
2012 psu banned from all games.
2013 psu banned from having home games.
2014, 2015 psu prohibition, no bowls add revenue etc.
Loss of 55 scholarships.
No off campus recruiting until 2014.
SMU went from a powerhouse to going going 64-158-3 from 1986-2015 for violations that were far less harmful than the things done at psu. It has also come out that Joe Pa had player's grades changed in addition to the other incidents. Their program should have been hurt at least as bad as SMU's was.
Since the NCAA did not have the guts to do what should have been done it is no up to each and every team they play to put in the extra effort to make psu a losing program for the next generation. I am sure that Iowa is doing what it takes to help make this happen!
HawkGold
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That's actually a pretty good synopsis of what should have happened. I can promise you that what happened won't be on mind of most players and coaches in this game. SMU didn't stay down because of what happened. They did not prioritize the program.
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Fryowa
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So, take it out on the players instead of the people raping kids. Yeah. That makes sense. It's not exactly easy for most of those kids to just up and leave to join a different team.
How bout throw Sandusky, Paterno, Curley, Schultz, McQueary, and Spanier in prison for life? I don't see any downside to that other than taxpayers paying for their care.
Joshbrown
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I was bothered the sanctions were lifted. I encourage my fellow Hawkeyes to watch the movie Spotlight.
Also, McQueary just won a 7 million dollar judgement against Ped State.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/e...tate-whistleblower-claim/stories/201610270269
Also, McQueary just won a 7 million dollar judgement against Ped State.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/e...tate-whistleblower-claim/stories/201610270269
Fryowa
Administrator
All the guys I mentioned in the post above should be castrated and dumped in the East River, but I'm not so warm and fuzzy about throwing young college football players' lives into total upheaval only because staff were complicit with child molestation.
atomicblue224
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HawkGold
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McQueary was a young guy caught in a tough situation. No one would have listened and his career would be toast. The police and others....no one. People still don't stand up today. Not many would. The others should all be thrown into the same cell together with Joe. Some PSU fans still have some culpability based on comments.
HawkeyeDenis
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It's doubtful the NCAA ever delivers a blow to a program like they did to SMU. Their enforcement of everything is uneven, to say the least.
kicker22
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Honestly I don't care one way or another that the NCAA caved in this situation as I feel they've shown its par for the course. What I can't and never will be able to grasp is the fan base and the university in general who think its unjustly them against the world and simply refuse to acknowledge what happened. There is a giant difference between backing an athletic program and looking the other way. These fans amaze me at how delusional they are and the fact that they still feel Joe did no wrong. It's sickening.
Joshbrown
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Fryowa
Administrator
I was referencing more what ClintonIAfan said the sanctions should have been. Taking away wins isn't fair to players. Yes, Paterno was (in my opinion) as culpable as Sandusky, but the players were out on the field earning those wins, not him. As far as cancelling seasons what do you do with the players already committed and playing for Penn Sate? How fair would that be to a sophomore/junior player who all the sudden gets the next season cancelled?
Give him the option to go to another school where he has to try and adapt to a program/system that he knows nothing about? Make him leave the state and hope to latch on to some other D1 program? That might work for the top 4 or 5 guys, but the other 15 starters and underclassmen are going to have their backs against the wall from the start. Even if you make the sanctions occur in the future, that would effectively kill any recruiting and along with it the program.
Let's say that a prof in the business department of the college you went to had been caught sexually assaulting kids. Let's also say you had taken a couple of his courses. Should your degree possibly be made invalid because you were there? Should the college not be able to accept scholarships for business students for a period of time? Worse yet what if you were a junior and they said that XYZ University wouldn't be granting degrees for the next 5 years, so you have to take the credits you did earn and go somewhere else. You can imagine the public outcry if that happened.
I realize football is different than academics because it's extra-curricular, but the idea is the same. Don't punish one person because of another's actions. Punish the person(s) responsible. In this case the people I listed and anyone else who made it possible for Sandusky to rape kids should live in extreme discomfort for the rest of their lives.
This topic always gets nasty so I'm gonna bow out. I think we both agree on the core of the matter.
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WinOneThisCentury
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Seriously, this is your take. Tough situation...he saw grown man molesting a child...and had reason to believe it was a systemic process that Sandusky put in place. There was always going to be a pipeline for Sandusky and he knew it. I hope he enjoys his $7 million dollar settlement he just got from Pedo U...as he's branded as he should be for not escalating this to highest level as soon as he knew. He should have put Paterno in jail. JoPa got what he deserved...and his reputation should be tarnished forever. He didn't protect children, when he knew there was a problem...end of story. That means you enabled a child molester. I could give a rat's ass how good a football coach he was. His teams had to show up about every other week prior to playing in the Big Ten. Put him in the Big Ten, how many titles in 20 years...3...and no NC's. Kirk Ferentz has as many titles. Not the dominance everyone predicted when Penn State joined.
Joshbrown
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Fair enough, but it's just entertainment. The players aren't physically harmed nor do they lose their scholarship. To me the issue is bigger than hurt feelings or damaged pride.
seepig
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No as a matter of fact I'm sure I will be scratching my head yelling "That's what we cam up with?....It looks like we didn't do anything!"
HawkGold
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I'm just saying that when that happened, Joe Pa wasn't going to jail and neither was Sandusky. Believe me I hate child abusers a lot. There is no excuse. He should have done something. He likely would have ended up being the one in jail. Personally I think PSU should have received the death penalty. Joe Pa in jail. Look at what happened in the Catholic Church. PSU would have been no different at that time.
