Iowa in the news re:rhabdo



SteveGarvey said:
A story can be inaccurate and yet not be part of something from a "mainstream sports media".

In politics, the "mainstream media" is out to make conservatives look bad and make liberals look good. So you're saying there's a group of mainstream media entities out there conspiring to make the Hawks look bad? Sounds kinda paranoid to me.
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The "mainstream" media are all corporate conglomerates (Fox News included). Therefore, their only goal is to make money and look out for their own interests. They make money by sensationalizing stories and just plain making stuff up.
 


If they didn't leave because of the injuries, why include it in the article? Answer: to make the relationship seem causal (not casual, don't misread it).

Speaking of mainstream sports media, does anyone ever read ESPN.com articles? They bring up the same stats in every article concerning a specific player/event. If there are two Peyton "Pick 6" Manning articles on the front page, read one because the other one is about 60%, or more, the same. This is due to the fact that there is hardly any journalistic thought behind them, they're just spewing identical reports (hardly even articles) about the same event. Sometimes they'll even rename the teaser for the article, so you start reading the first couple lines before you realize it's literally the exact same article you read before. But that's what Boo-ya network does.

Enough of the political talk as well.
 




ColumbusHawk said:
Talk about twisting a story. The report released by the Regents notes that 10 of the 13 players afflicted with rhabdomyolysis are active members of the current football team.
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Unless there's more to the report than what is being reported, the Regents themselves should have clarified whether or not the three no longer on the team left due to rhabdo or something else. As it is, this could be extremely misleading.
 


Man, are you people joking me? Nowhere in any of those articles, including the headline, was there even an implication that they quit because of their injuries. The fact that you want to stick to your idea that the media is out to get you is a text book case of cognitive dissonance.

The ESPN article had the headline:3 hospitalized Iowa players leave team. It is 100% true, and I have no idea how you can think it is making you think they quit because they were in the hospital.

I would love to hear a one sentence headline they could have written that would have satisfied you people: Three Iowa football players injured in voluntary workout decide to leave the team for unrelated issues before potential championship season.
 


bitmap said:
No, "mainstream media" in the political sense refers to the the propaganda wing of the Democrat party masquerading as unbiased news sources. They practice advocacy journalism, that is they push an agenda all the while pretending that they have no bias. The use of "mainstream media" in this sense is saying that the "reporter", and I use that term loosely, is practicing advocacy journalism by pushing an agenda point that advocates some stance on a sports related issue.

In simpler terms, the author is a "homer" for another undisclosed team or conference and is trying to push the idea, possibly to HS players (or their parents) that playing football for Iowa is dangerous and it would be better to attend another, safer, university.

It's best when following a story to get both sides, if possible, and look at the facts that aren't in dispute. At this point just draw your own conclusion.

Looking at hawkdrummer1's post as an example if I saw the first story I would say that his buddy is the target of someone who has an agenda against him and is trying to destroy his reputation.



His second example shines an entirely different light on the scenario. Having a second viewpoint makes the situation clear.

It sucks, in a sense, that I have to come to a biased forum like this one to get the information I need to find out what really happened because of the hack job the "mainstream sports media" outlet is trying to pass off as a piece of journalism.
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I, for one, am ready for Iowa Football. Hopefully we can put this crap behind us.

With regard to your rant about "mainstream media" ... could you give an example of a news outlet that ISN'T considered mainstream? I find that moniker to be misleading, and usually used for political gain.
 


MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
Man, are you people joking me? Nowhere in any of those articles, including the headline, was there even an implication that they quit because of their injuries. The fact that you want to stick to your idea that the media is out to get you is a text book case of cognitive dissonance.

The ESPN article had the headline:3 hospitalized Iowa players leave team. It is 100% true, and I have no idea how you can think it is making you think they quit because they were in the hospital.

I would love to hear a one sentence headline they could have written that would have satisfied you people: Three Iowa football players injured in voluntary workout decide to leave the team for unrelated issues before potential championship season.
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This was exactly what hawkdrummer illustrated earlier with his wife/naked son example. Yes, the headline is technically true. But why include that they were 3 of the 13 hospitalized players when their hospitalization isn't relevant to the story?

They're not out to get Iowa with that headline. They're out to get eyeballs.

BTW, the ESPN headline actually read "Three Iowa players who were hospitalized with muscle disorder quit team". That was the link/headline, the one designed to get readers to look at the story. The link and the headline once you click on the story are rarely the same, and the one in the story is typically not as sensationalized, because it doesn't need to be; you've already clicked your mouse on the link.
 


MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
Man, are you people joking me? Nowhere in any of those articles, including the headline, was there even an implication that they quit because of their injuries. The fact that you want to stick to your idea that the media is out to get you is a text book case of cognitive dissonance.

The ESPN article had the headline:3 hospitalized Iowa players leave team. It is 100% true, and I have no idea how you can think it is making you think they quit because they were in the hospital.

I would love to hear a one sentence headline they could have written that would have satisfied you people: Three Iowa football players injured in voluntary workout decide to leave the team for unrelated issues before potential championship season.
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You're kidding right? You aren't truly this naive are you?

What does the fact that they were hospitalized have to do with the fact that they left the team? Why not say, "Three Iowa chemistry majors left the team"? Or how about something simple such as "Three Iowa players leave team".

That last example I gave you would be accurate reporting. Nothing is implied or unnecessarily referenced. It isn't deceiving.

The actual headline you are defending would mislead someone to think that those players left because of the rhabdo incident...especially if they didn't read the article. That is simply not true.

Hack journalism.
 


INTIMIDATORHawk said:
You're kidding right? You aren't truly this naive are you?

What does the fact that they were hospitalized have to do with the fact that they left the team? Why not say, "Three Iowa chemistry majors left the team"? Or how about something simple such as "Three Iowa players leave team".

That last example I gave you would be accurate reporting. Nothing is implied or unnecessarily referenced. It isn't deceiving.

The actual headline you are defending would mislead someone to think that those players left because of the rhabdo incident...especially if they didn't read the article. That is simply not true.

Hack journalism.
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Because the article is talking about a report dealing with the incident which states 10 of the 13 players are still with the team.

I think a better headline would be "Report: 3 Iowa "rhabdo" Players no longer with team"

Using the word "quit" in the headline makes the reader think that's there's causation. It's not surprising and I'm not going to get all up in arms over it.
 
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GoHawks24 said:
Just like FoxNews, right? :D
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No, not really. FoxNews swings to the right for sure, but it's only a counter-weight against the Lamestream media. I say thank God for Fox News because otherwise we'd just be getting propaganda.

But to the point as it pertains to the Iowa Hawkeye football team, there is no mainstream sports media out to get us. There are a few loose cannons out there probably over-zealously reporting perhaps, but no mainstream media out to get us.
 


SteveGarvey said:
No, not really. FoxNews swings to the right for sure, but it's only a counter-weight against the Lamestream media. I say thank God for Fox News because otherwise we'd just be getting propaganda.

But to the point as it pertains to the Iowa Hawkeye football team, there is no mainstream sports media out to get us. There are a few loose cannons out there probably over-zealously reporting perhaps, but no mainstream media out to get us.
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Wrong. We DO just get propaganda FoxNews is a propaganda machine. No more so than MSNBC. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
 


tm3308 said:
This was exactly what hawkdrummer illustrated earlier with his wife/naked son example. Yes, the headline is technically true. But why include that they were 3 of the 13 hospitalized players when their hospitalization isn't relevant to the story?
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BECAUSE THE STORY IS ABOUT A REPORT ABOUT THE HOSPITALIZED PLAYERS THAT WAS RELEASED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA! Did you read the article or did you read the headline and get outraged?
 
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MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
BECAUSE THE STORY IS ABOUT A REPORT ABOUT THE HOSPITALIZED PLAYERS THAT WAS RELEASED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA! Did you read the article or did you read the headline and get outraged?
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I read that at least 2 of the 3 players left the team for reasons OTHER than rhabdo. Apparently the university's report wasn't clear on that, but obviously the writers knew about it.
 




MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
Nowhere did it say that any players left because of their hospitalization.
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Yet the headlines are bound to have people assume that. As a journalism major, I am taught to put the most important part of the story first, because the odds are that people will not read the entire story. People (in general) see headlines and assume, especially when the incident was covered pretty extensively.
 




DexterMorgan said:
Using the word "quit" in the headline makes the reader think that's there's causation. It's not surprising and I'm not going to get all up in arms over it.
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But if they hadn't used the word "quit", it would have appeared that they hadn't left on their own terms. That they were not able to return because of the rhabdo or were kicked off the team by the coaches! (at least in the eyes of the conspiracy theorists and chicken littles.)
 


tm3308 said:
Yet the headlines are bound to have people assume that. As a journalism major, I am taught to put the most important part of the story first, because the odds are that people will not read the entire story. People (in general) see headlines and assume, especially when the incident was covered pretty extensively.
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I work in journalism myself, which is why I immediately noticed that the first three paragraphs clearly say that the hospitalization was NOT the reason they left the team. Inverted freaking pyramid FTW.

However, journalism major, I would like to hear the headline you would write to convey that the players left the team, and the hospitalization was not the reason.
 


MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
I work in journalism myself, which is why I immediately noticed that the first three paragraphs clearly say that the hospitalization was NOT the reason they left the team. Inverted freaking pyramid FTW.

However, journalism major, I would like to hear the headline you would write to convey that the players left the team, and the hospitalization was not the reason.
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Unrelated to incident, 3 Iowa "rhabdo" Players no longer with team

I'm no journalism major though and that's definitely not a sexy headline.
 


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