Iowa Get's Some Sexy Back

[cincyhawk]

This isn't a cop out, since you asked me who I THINK will start, as opposed to who I would start...I could see either QB starting. If I had to wager, I would say Rudock if healthy but there is a plan for CJB to come in the game and play throughout.

If that happens, I won't be a big fan of it, unless it's to bring CJB along more...because there is nothing Rudock can do that CJB can't, but the reverse is not true. So I wouldn't want to play both for an extended period of time.

Jon,

I am certain it will be Rudock if he is healthy, and I have my doubts that CJB will see the field of that's the case.

Ferentz made it clear, in his post-game comments, that he played CJB because Rudock was hurt, and that he was surprised by his performance in the game. He didn't make the decision, it was forced by injury, and he'll go back to his practice-proven, safe quarterback. Since he isn't going to start CJB, it does make the most coaching sense not to play him.

With Rudock's injury, if it heals, he's not going to want to risk injury to his backup by playing him in live series when his chosen starter might also get hurt in love series. CJB will be put back into his back pocket for a rainy day.

I think he should start CJB, but he's not going to and thus needs to save him in case JR gets injured. You can't play them both or you'll be sunk if they both get hurt.

 

[David79]

The difference wasn't Beathard it was the receivers catching passes. If Powell and Vandeberg make catches in the first half and Powell and another receiver dropped their catches in TE second half the story would be a lot different.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

This isn't a cop out, since you asked me who I THINK will start, as opposed to who I would start...I could see either QB starting. If I had to wager, I would say Rudock if healthy but there is a plan for CJB to come in the game and play throughout.

If that happens, I won't be a big fan of it, unless it's to bring CJB along more...because there is nothing Rudock can do that CJB can't, but the reverse is not true. So I wouldn't want to play both for an extended period of time.

You've changed your tune in a couple weeks. Two weeks ago, CJB was "making the same mistakes". That is something Jake RARELY does.

We saw that Jake CAN throw the deep ball. We also saw Powell can't always catch it.

CJ should start. Ride the hot hand. If/when he falters, bring in Jake, ride that.

A two-QB system CAN work, although, again, the exposure/risk of injury "doubles", as well.

I'm more surprised nobody is talking about another fact we gleaned yesterday: Weisman is our best RB. Not really much debate there.

 

[tm3308]

Jon,

I am certain it will be Rudock if he is healthy, and I have my doubts that CJB will see the field of that's the case.

Ferentz made it clear, in his post-game comments, that he played CJB because Rudock was hurt, and that he was surprised by his performance in the game. He didn't make the decision, it was forced by injury, and he'll go back to his practice-proven, safe quarterback. Since he isn't going to start CJB, it does make the most coaching sense not to play him.

With Rudock's injury, if it heals, he's not going to want to risk injury to his backup by playing him in live series when his chosen starter might also get hurt in love series. CJB will be put back into his back pocket for a rainy day.

I think he should start CJB, but he's not going to and thus needs to save him in case JR gets injured. You can't play them both or you'll be sunk if they both get hurt.

I've never understood this thinking. What's the difference if they both get hurt while playing in some sort of rotation, and if Beathard gets hurt after relieving Rudock due to injury? At the end of the day, they're both still out.

 

[Travisam]

You've changed your tune in a couple weeks. Two weeks ago, CJB was "making the same mistakes". That is something Jake RARELY does.

We saw that Jake CAN throw the deep ball. We also saw Powell can't always catch it.

CJ should start. Ride the hot hand. If/when he falters, bring in Jake, ride that.

A two-QB system CAN work, although, again, the exposure/risk of injury "doubles", as well.

I'm more surprised nobody is talking about another fact we gleaned yesterday: Weisman is our best RB. Not really much debate there.

Actually there is most certainly a debate when canzeri is healthy. He wasn't yesterday so weisman was the best option.

 

[cincyhawk]

I've never understood this thinking. What's the difference if they both get hurt while playing in some sort of rotation, and if Beathard gets hurt after relieving Rudock due to injury? At the end of the day, they're both still out.

Because more reps = more injury exposure. If they are rotating, you will be playing one more times than if he'd been on the bench, exposing him to injury prematurely.

 

[ColoradoHAWKEYE]

I still have a hard time using the words Iowa and sexy in the same sentence 8 days after getting beat by Iowa State, especially in Kinnick. About all Iowa did yesterday was give me hope that they might get bowl eligible (yes, I have low standards).

...and include the possible "potential" of being competitive going forward to get to and including said bowl game. Definitely not "sexy", but as can be said for many situations/things, "good from far, but far from good"! (certainly night and day from the play calling a week ago).

I also agree with ArvadaHawk, that while having extremely limited game experience, CJ certainly played with poise and confidence, and seemed indoctrinated with the playbook with the familiarity and game mgmt of a veteran qb. At the same time I must give kudos to KF and GD for allowing CJ the chance to succeed with the play calling and in-game decisions.

At least we now know there is potential to fully compete!

 

[ColoradoHAWKEYE]

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Actually there is most certainly a debate when canzeri is healthy. He wasn't yesterday so weisman was the best option.

As for RB...I prefer both Canzarri and Weisman to running Bullock relentlessly. I think game situation and field position have as much to do with who is better between those two. Either way, a vertical passing game, which we had yet to see before Sat., helps them both out regardless which qb is calling signals...as long as the audibles and checkdowns are not always the same, as has been shown by JR in the past.

 

[AHawk1]

You've changed your tune in a couple weeks. Two weeks ago, CJB was "making the same mistakes". That is something Jake RARELY does.

We saw that Jake CAN throw the deep ball. We also saw Powell can't always catch it.

CJ should start. Ride the hot hand. If/when he falters, bring in Jake, ride that.

A two-QB system CAN work, although, again, the exposure/risk of injury "doubles", as well.

I'm more surprised nobody is talking about another fact we gleaned yesterday: Weisman is our best RB. Not really much debate there.

Or reduces it by "half". Canzeri is dinged up and Daniels may be as well, so no facts were gained yesterday as to who is the best RB. Obviously Weisman was yesterday. The only fact being pointed out today is that you spew a lot opinions and call them facts. I am of the opinion you are either clueless or a bad troll, and some may tend to call that a fact.

 

[PCHawk]

Because more reps = more injury exposure. If they are rotating, you will be playing one more times than if he'd been on the bench, exposing him to injury prematurely.

You should rethink your post. Only one qb plays per play. It doesn't matter if Beathard comes in and plays a series and risks himself to injury because at the same time he will be preventing Rudock from the risk of injury for that series. The only way the risk doubles is if you play both qb's on the same play.

 

[bitmap]

The most impressive thing to me about that second clip is that the O-line clears a passing lane and CJB uses the extra visibility to see Hamilton crossing. Nice catch in terrific coverage by Hamilton. This is what Iowa football should look like-Great line play, smart Q-backing and great athleticism.

 

[bitmap]

You should rethink your post. .... The only way the risk doubles is if you play both qb's on the same play.

This is the correct answer. Serializing QB time = same risk, Paralleling QB time multiplies the risk by the number of QBs you play at the same time. So the only way you double your risk here is to put CJB in as a running back while JR plays QB (or vv).

In fact it might actually lower the risk because fatigue would be reduced and fatigue is a factor in some injury types.

Nope, not buying the idea that a two QB system increases risk to the QB.

 

[cincyhawk]

This is the correct answer. Serializing QB time = same risk, Paralleling QB time multiplies the risk by the number of QBs you play at the same time. So the only way you double your risk here is to put CJB in as a running back while JR plays QB (or vv).

In fact it might actually lower the risk because fatigue would be reduced and fatigue is a factor in some injury types.

Nope, not buying the idea that a two QB system increases risk to the QB.

Fine, remove that argument and say you want your backup to be an uninjurable party while the risk is present for your starter. I think that's true -- if he has to come in he should he fresh and not stiff from previous hits he's tsken during the game.

Call it conventional wisdom - not moneyball or statistically driven or whatever you want. Coaches avoid it, especially NFL style coaches like Ferentz.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I've never understood this thinking. What's the difference if they both get hurt while playing in some sort of rotation, and if Beathard gets hurt after relieving Rudock due to injury? At the end of the day, they're both still out.

I get your thinking, but if it is a "planned" rotation, you're ALWAYS risking BOTH in any given game. May just be a psychological thing.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

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Actually there is most certainly a debate when canzeri is healthy. He wasn't yesterday so weisman was the best option.

Weisman was the better option, period. He was the only back that was looking for the holes and being patient on a consistent basis.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Or reduces it by "half". Canzeri is dinged up and Daniels may be as well, so no facts were gained yesterday as to who is the best RB. Obviously Weisman was yesterday. The only fact being pointed out today is that you spew a lot opinions and call them facts. I am of the opinion you are either clueless or a bad troll, and some may tend to call that a fact.

Weisman was clearly better. He was actually being patient and looking for the holes.

As for trolls, you'd prolly know.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

You should rethink your post. Only one qb plays per play. It doesn't matter if Beathard comes in and plays a series and risks himself to injury because at the same time he will be preventing Rudock from the risk of injury for that series. The only way the risk doubles is if you play both qb's on the same play.

A guy who doesn't play doesn't risk injury. Probably a psychological "worry" thing.

Plenty of places who have used 2-QB system so it obviously didn't bother them.

My thinking is that if there is a planned rotation with specified packages, one getting injured changes the whole "plan", but it stands to reason that either QB should be able to run whatever is sent in from the sidelines, anyway.

Right now, the team needs to ride the hot hand. CJ is that hot hand.

 

[HomerChampless]

This dopey 'logic' has run it's course for me.. You're risking injury to multiple QBs in every game. If the starter is injured the backup(s) comes in. The backup(s) could also get injured. The risk to the backup QB of getting injured is less than the risk to the starting QB if the starter plays most of the game.

Can you guarantee no QB will be injured? Can you guarantee multiple QBs won't be injured? The only way not to risk injury for a QB is to play flag football.

We can also allow CJB to play if Jake has lingering problems with injuries. Allows Rudock to heal. To not aggravate something. 'Cause CJB can.

 

[cincyhawk]

This dopey 'logic' has run it's course for me.. You're risking injury to multiple QBs in every game. If the starter is injured the backup(s) comes in. The backup(s) could also get injured. The risk to the backup QB of getting injured is less than the risk to the starting QB if the starter plays most of the game.

Can you guarantee no QB will be injured? Can you guarantee multiple QBs won't be injured? The only way not to risk injury for a QB is to play flag football.

We can also allow CJB to play if Jake has lingering problems with injuries. Allows Rudock to heal. To not aggravate something. 'Cause CJB can.

Fine, I concede that injury isn't the risk. I just don't think Kirk will play them both, though. CJ should be the choice. I don't think he will be if JR is healthy.

 

[hwk23]

Great point(s) on the Powell play.

My take on CJB vs JR is I haven't seen a better half of football than CJB played against Pitt for quite sometime. Can someone point to a better half played by Rudock? If not, then I think it's CJB's job, or at least we have a two QB system.