Interesting Comments from Clemmons on Dickerson

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http://hawkcentral.com/2014/07/17/clemmons-dickerson-doesnt-deserve-any-pressure/

“How can you have such high expectations for somebody who hasn’t even played in a game yet?†Clemmons asked reporters. “It’s not like Trey is going to come out here and replace what Devyn did.

“I love Trey’s game, no disrespect towards him. That’s my man. But I feel like the expectations are a little bit too high for him and that puts a lot of pressure on him.â€

“No disrespect for anybody, but I don’t want to share my minutes,†said Clemmons, a 6-foot-1 native of Lansing, Mich. “That’s just me. I don’t want to share anything. I’ve never been that type of player.

“It’s not being stingy and it’s not being greedy or anything. I want the best for my team and I feel I can lead this team to where we need be.â€
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I like it...there is good competition for the PG minutes this year and Sapp seems real determined and focused IMO. He showed in his frosh year that he can be a good player...his shot needed refining but he could handle the bigger guards physically, better than Gesell did. Mike turned it up last year while Sapp sort of sat on his laurels, as he has admitted.

What are your expectations for Dickerson?
 
JonDMiller said:
http://hawkcentral.com/2014/07/17/clemmons-dickerson-doesnt-deserve-any-pressure/I like it...there is good competition for the PG minutes this year and Sapp seems real determined and focused IMO. He showed in his frosh year that he can be a good player...his shot needed refining but he could handle the bigger guards physically, better than Gesell did. Mike turned it up last year while Sapp sort of sat on his laurels, as he has admitted.What are your expectations for Dickerson?
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Jon, my hope for Dickerson is to be part of the solution in running our half court sets. I really felt like MG wasn't laterally quick enough and didn't have the handles to get the offense in motion against the quicker and bigger guards in the B1G and Sapp wasn't part of the equation, last season. I am not expecting TD to be All B1G next season but improve our half court sets. Hopefully, he and Sapp can do that for us.
 
I'm not sure I really have any expectations from Dickerson, so I was a bit surprised to hear that his teammates believe external expectations are adding pressure to him.

Who has these lofty expectations for Dickerson? Any "formal" media members? Or just fans on message boards?
 
I don't care if it's Clemmons or Dickerson but somebody needs to step up at the pg spot so we don't have to rely on MG. We just aren't going to win at the B10 level with him at the point.
 
Honestly, I won't be surprised if Gesell spends a lot more time at the 2 than we've been previously led to believe. I don't think Dickerson makes All-B1G this year (that's maybe a year or two down the road, if ever), and Sapp definitely looks ready to challenge for time, if not a starting spot. That article also noted that Sapp has thinned out and added some muscle this offseason. I think this season, we're going to see him really start making strides toward reaching that high ceiling of his.
 
LG210 said:
I'm not sure I really have any expectations from Dickerson, so I was a bit surprised to hear that his teammates believe external expectations are adding pressure to him.

Who has these lofty expectations for Dickerson? Any "formal" media members? Or just fans on message boards?
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The expectations of the 30 or so guys in the corner don't mean as much as the expectations of the other 15,000 people in Carver. So if the players are hearing things around campus, seeing it on message boards, etc., then I'm not shocked that they would want to temper those a little. Like Clemmons said, we're not going to replace Marble with TD, and that's not a slight against TD.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
I don't care if it's Clemmons or Dickerson but somebody needs to step up at the pg spot so we don't have to rely on MG. We just aren't going to win at the B10 level with him at the point.
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So are you saying that it's possible for Clemmons to improve enough to win at the big 10 level but it's impossible for Gesell to improve enough to win?
 
LG210 said:
I'm not sure I really have any expectations from Dickerson, so I was a bit surprised to hear that his teammates believe external expectations are adding pressure to him.

Who has these lofty expectations for Dickerson? Any "formal" media members? Or just fans on message boards?
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I am a fan on a message board who has high hopes for TD. We need what he has the potential to bring especially in the half court. It is not about replacing Dev but being able to create shots for others now by breaking down his man off of the bounce and finishing at the rim when needed. If we do not get this we are in real trouble this season and it will not matter how many shooters we think we have. They will be taking contested shots otherwise.

Now I also like Sapp and hope he brings a fierce competitive game to the table this year. Both guys will be a plus at the PG then.

I like MG also but not as a 30 minute PG. His problem is he is kind of a 2 guard in a PG body.

Bottom line is I like the competition and like the idea that it is ruffling some feathers.
 
tm3308 said:
The expectations of the 30 or so guys in the corner don't mean as much as the expectations of the other 15,000 people in Carver. So if the players are hearing things around campus, seeing it on message boards, etc., then I'm not shocked that they would want to temper those a little. Like Clemmons said, we're not going to replace Marble with TD, and that's not a slight against TD.
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So what you are saying is that there are, in fact, expectations of which I am not aware.

What are people basing these expectations on? The video or two that have been posted around here? Anything else? PTL? JUCO stats? Is there something else that I am missing?

I guess I just think it is difficult to project success in the B10 based upon any of these types of sources, so I am just taking a wait-and-see attitude. Fran has an exceptional eye for talent, so I trust that he will contribute in some form to the betterment of the team.
 
PCHawk said:
So are you saying that it's possible for Clemmons to improve enough to win at the big 10 level but it's impossible for Gesell to improve enough to win?
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It depends on what you view as those players' respective weaknesses. If you think the difference is a matter of technique, then both players can make big strides. If the issue is natural athleticism, improvements will be tougher to come by.
 
LG210 said:
So what you are saying is that there are, in fact, expectations of which I am not aware.

What are people basing these expectations on? The video or two that have been posted around here? Anything else? PTL? JUCO stats? Is there something else that I am missing?

I guess I just think it is difficult to project success in the B10 based upon any of these types of sources, so I am just taking a wait-and-see attitude. Fran has an exceptional eye for talent, so I trust that he will contribute in some form to the betterment of the team.
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I'm not saying those expectations are out there. I don't know. But if they're hearing things, that would explain those comments.
 
LG210 said:
So what you are saying is that there are, in fact, expectations of which I am not aware.

What are people basing these expectations on? The video or two that have been posted around here? Anything else? PTL? JUCO stats? Is there something else that I am missing?

I guess I just think it is difficult to project success in the B10 based upon any of these types of sources, so I am just taking a wait-and-see attitude. Fran has an exceptional eye for talent, so I trust that he will contribute in some form to the betterment of the team.
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Much of what you said is true but give people some credit that know a potential player. Will there be an adjustment? Could he fail to meet expectations? Yes and he would not be the first. If he brings what we need we will have a chance to be decent.

There is a reason Fran was recruiting Ulis even before he blew up and a reason for TD even though we had 2 guys playing PG on the roster. You do not bring TD in on a whim.
 
tm3308 said:
Honestly, I won't be surprised if Gesell spends a lot more time at the 2 than we've been previously led to believe. I don't think Dickerson makes All-B1G this year (that's maybe a year or two down the road, if ever), and Sapp definitely looks ready to challenge for time, if not a starting spot. That article also noted that Sapp has thinned out and added some muscle this offseason. I think this season, we're going to see him really start making strides toward reaching that high ceiling of his.
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I agree w/u on MG spending more time at the 2. He certainly is not bashful with his shot but I think he lacked confidence last season. I just keep going back to his FR year when RDM was the pg, MG looked very comfortable at the 2 and really seemed his struggles were just freshman-itis. If his shot comes around, he could be deadly at the 2.
 
Trey is showing up on a lot of "new comer" lists for the B1G that blogs and media put out. Jon Rothstein from CBS has tweeted out about him several times this off season. All the Hawkeye Tweeters have/had pretty much written MG off and have replaced him with a kid that hadn't even arrived at the time in IC, including this board. The guys all live on Twitter, as we all learned this last season. It's ridiculous how fans these days can't appreciate anything they have and long for something unproven. Like a JC transfer is just gonna automatically come in and supplant guys that have been in the system for 3 years, including one of our better recruits in a decade.

This is something that's probably common with all fan bases, but DEFINITELY a trait of Iowa Hoop fans since Fran arrived and started turning things around. They are constantly pumped about players and recruits that they haven't seen and can't wait to dump what they have. Before Woody and MG got here, they were giddy to have them replace what we already had. Now that they are here, they are yesterdays news and can't wait to replace them with ANYTHING other then what they are. How bout we let these guys mature and have a chance to play up to their potential.

I'll be shocked if TD starts or sees meaningful minutes this year, he's behind two pretty good players. If you're depending on him to be a difference maker out of the gate, I think those are unreasonable expectations, and thankfully, Iowa doesn't need him to be as we have Sapp and MG.
 
If there is any proof needed about my post- take a look at Best Case Scenario Starting 5 thread and see how many people have Dickerson slated to start before they've seen him play a minute of basketball at a D1 level.
 
InGoodCo said:
If there is any proof needed about my post- take a look at Best Case Scenario Starting 5 thread and see how many people have Dickerson slated to start before they've seen him play a minute of basketball at a D1 level.
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Well the best case scenario is obviously Trey starting. We know what MG and Clemmons are, if the new guy is better than both of them, that's good for the team.
 

"IF" he's better, yeah, that would be great, but if that's best case scenario, the program is NOT on as solid footing as I would like to think.

Is the best case scenario starting a junior college kid we haven't seen in an Iowa uniform? Seriously, I don't get this line of thinking.

We know who MG is as a Sophomore. In his 2nd year of college basketball he led the B1G in assist to TO ratio and ranked 13th in the country in that. Ranked 7th in assist and 9th in steals in the B1G.

one of three Hawkeyes to ever amass 550+ points, 200+ assists, 150+ rebounds and 75+ steals by his sophomore season (Jeff Horner and Dean Oliver)


 
InGoodCo said:

"IF" he's better, yeah, that would be great, but if that's best case scenario, the program is NOT on as solid footing as I would like to think.

Is the best case scenario starting a junior college kid we haven't seen in an Iowa uniform? Seriously, I don't get this line of thinking.

We know who MG is as a Sophomore. In his 2nd year of college basketball he led the B1G in assist to TO ratio and ranked 13th in the country in that. Ranked 7th in assist and 9th in steals in the B1G.

one of three Hawkeyes to ever amass 550+ points, 200+ assists, 150+ rebounds and 75+ steals by his sophomore season (Jeff Horner and Dean Oliver)
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You should read hawkeyemike23's post over and over until it makes sense. If Fran decides TD is better than MG, we will be a better team then if Fran decides TD is worse than MG.
 
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