INDIANA TAMPERING??? De Sleaze (college basketball as we know it)

According to Dochterman and Heinrichs the other day, five big ten schools are projected to be at the $8-9 million in NIL salary next year not including rev-share. Iowa (according to Heinrichs, not me) is looking at about $2 million form rev share plus what they have from the Swarm which is about $2 million as it stands. So about $4 million tops.

It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Iowa. Hires.

They do not have the money to pay a winnable team to come here and unfortunately this is the beginning of the end of Iowa basketball as we've known it since the 80s. I suggest people watch Rob and Dochterman's most recent pod. I linked it in a post yesterday. What I'm saying isn't hyperbole, those two are as close to the workings of the program and the Big Ten as anyone not employed by it and they say the same thing. You thought the Lick years were bad, hold on to your butts. in 2025 this game is 100% about money and we ain't got any. The only team projected to have as little as we do is Minnesota, and they are also looking for a coach without any luck. The first thing any of these guys are asking isn't "How much money are you going to pay me," or "What capital improvements are you making," or "How would my contract be structured," it's "How much NIL do I have to work with?" If you can't answer that then it's, "Thanks for your time; I'll see myself out..."

It doesn't matter if the guy was born in Iowa, or if he's a good developmental coach, no one with real potential is going to go anywhere if they can't be even remotely sure they can get the players they want.

Why the hell would McCollum come here over Drake? He's winning ballgames there, and if he came to Iowa he'd immediately be put in a situation he can't succeed in. Because he grew up in Storm Lake? Gimme a break...He'd come to Iowa and have a full arena for about a month before the novelty wore off and then he's coaching and losing in front of 3,000 fans and getting blown up about how he sucks and should be fired, and then where's he at in his career? He's way smarter to either stay at Drake for a bit and win until he gets an offer from a real program that will give him something to work with, or if he gets a good offer now to take that one. And he knows it. Especially the longer this thing drags on because Iowa's NIL shortfall is becoming more a national news tidbit than a local one.

Even if we did get a coach who somehow energized fans and started filling Carver, what does that gain you? Rev-share is capped at $20.5 million per school which Iowa is already dividing up between football, WBB, and wrestling. You can't give that additional ticket revenue to players.

Fran definitely shares some blame for not drumming up money while he was here. But do we think realistically he'd be able to quadruple donations somehow? Because that's what would need to happen.

Donors you can't really blame because it's their money to do with what they want. We can't bitch about other people not spending money that doesn't belong to us.

The fact is this program doesn't have the donor interest to compete in basketball. We have to choose one sport over the other and that's the way it is.
 
I've always thought about this. How much different is it to have 15 million over 20 million as far as the lifestyle you live? Does a person say "gee, if I made 20 mill instead of 15, I could buy a nicer house, or save more for retirement, or leave more for the kids, etc." I realize people are desperate for math teachers, but I'm guessing I'll never know.

I do believe I would be quite satisfied with a mere few hundreds of thousands of dollars


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I get the Indiana job, but the WVU job really made me shake my head. It seemed like a pretty random school for him to go to. Not big time, not geographical, not blue blood, almost like an Alford to New Mexico, McDermott to Creighton, except there was no reason for him to leave Drake except for money, which wasn't even that great, relatively speaking.

He could corner the Meth Market and perhaps the remainder of Oxy
 
According to Dochterman and Heinrichs the other day, five big ten schools are projected to be at the $8-9 million in NIL salary next year not including rev-share. Iowa (according to Heinrichs, not me) is looking at about $2 million form rev share plus what they have from the Swarm which is about $2 million as it stands. So about $4 million tops.

It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Iowa. Hires.

They do not have the money to pay a winnable team to come here and unfortunately this is the beginning of the end of Iowa basketball as we've known it since the 80s. I suggest people watch Rob and Dochterman's most recent pod. I linked it in a post yesterday. What I'm saying isn't hyperbole, those two are as close to the workings of the program and the Big Ten as anyone not employed by it and they say the same thing. You thought the Lick years were bad, hold on to your butts. in 2025 this game is 100% about money and we ain't got any. The only team projected to have as little as we do is Minnesota, and they are also looking for a coach without any luck. The first thing any of these guys are asking isn't "How much money are you going to pay me," or "What capital improvements are you making," or "How would my contract be structured," it's "How much NIL do I have to work with?" If you can't answer that then it's, "Thanks for your time; I'll see myself out..."

It doesn't matter if the guy was born in Iowa, or if he's a good developmental coach, no one with real potential is going to go anywhere if they can't be even remotely sure they can get the players they want.

Why the hell would McCollum come here over Drake? He's winning ballgames there, and if he came to Iowa he'd immediately be put in a situation he can't succeed in. Because he grew up in Storm Lake? Gimme a break...He'd come to Iowa and have a full arena for about a month before the novelty wore off and then he's coaching and losing in front of 3,000 fans and getting blown up about how he sucks and should be fired, and then where's he at in his career? He's way smarter to either stay at Drake for a bit and win until he gets an offer from a real program that will give him something to work with, or if he gets a good offer now to take that one. And he knows it. Especially the longer this thing drags on because Iowa's NIL shortfall is becoming more a national news tidbit than a local one.

Even if we did get a coach who somehow energized fans and started filling Carver, what does that gain you? Rev-share is capped at $20.5 million per school which Iowa is already dividing up between football, WBB, and wrestling. You can't give that additional ticket revenue to players.

Fran definitely shares some blame for not drumming up money while he was here. But do we think realistically he'd be able to quadruple donations somehow? Because that's what would need to happen.

Donors you can't really blame because it's their money to do with what they want. We can't bitch about other people not spending money that doesn't belong to us.

The fact is this program doesn't have the donor interest to compete in basketball. We have to choose one sport over the other and that's the way it is.
I may be way off base here, but there is a possibility that some potential big donors were approached but refused to contribute as long as Fran was coach.

With the right hire, that sentiment could change. If so, it would directly matter who Iowa hires.
 
I may be way off base here, but there is a possibility that some potential big donors were approached but refused to contribute as long as Fran was coach.

With the right hire, that sentiment could change. If so, it would directly matter who Iowa hires.
Even if so, $5-6 million that it would take? Not likely.
 
If I had told those people in West Virginia that this was the right place for me and my family and signed a contract, then I would have honored it. No question about it. If I was going to move on as the contract was ending I would tell the President and AD in private of my intentions and told them that I would be putting some feelers out but only after telling them.

Then with deepest appreciation I would have thanked them for the opportunity they gave me and my family.

There are several things I value over money.
 
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I've always thought about this. How much different is it to have 15 million over 20 million as far as the lifestyle you live? Does a person say "gee, if I made 20 mill instead of 15, I could buy a nicer house, or save more for retirement, or leave more for the kids, etc." I realize people are desperate for math teachers, but I'm guessing I'll never know.
Also the guy who signed the bigger contract earlier isn't always the guy who makes more money in the long run.
 
Even if so, $5-6 million that it would take? Not likely.
If Iowa had more fans, it would have more donors. More fans, fan interest and buy in would solve a lot for Iowa. Maybe not the big dollar guys, but the joe schmo doner and that adds up. There are also NIL generating events that our new coach could do that would also help. Fran wasn't doing anything to help with that, at all, and in fact, was likely working against our NIL initiatives and goals. So, while you are right, Iowa has a doner problem but that's the case in Football too. Iowa is not going to compete with the blue bloods as far as spending there either. They already don't right? They're not even close to Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State....or literally every SEC team. They've just been more competitive on the field then hoops but our HOF coach is coming towards the end of his career and his program might walk out the door with him.

Iowa had to do this or it's just compounding the problem...and while they may not have an NIL that will rival Indiana, IL or Purdue, they could have a robust one that is comparable to many of their peers in the midwest with a good coach who will be a face of the program and get the ball rolling down hill instead of pushing it up the hill, and then getting ran over by it, like the last 5 years of Fran.
 
Money affects coaches the same as it does players. I don't think there's any loyalty anymore.

But let's be honest, if any of us here got a piece of paper pushed across the table at us with that many zeroes on it we'd have done the same thing. People can say all they want how they wouldn't, yadda yadda, but if you're in that conference room sitting at that same table, ain't no way anyone here is going to turn that down.

I hate no team on earth as much as the huskers. Not even close. I wish nothing but misery on that program and their fans. But if I got offered $20 million bucks over 5 years to wear their colors and coach a team I'm signing my name on that dotted line. All of us would. Anyone who says different is a liar.
I'd commit to Iowa for $2 M a year, promise I stay as long as you keep me.
 
If Iowa had more fans, it would have more donors. More fans, fan interest and buy in would solve a lot for Iowa. Maybe not the big dollar guys, but the joe schmo doner and that adds up. There are also NIL generating events that our new coach could do that would also help. Fran wasn't doing anything to help with that, at all, and in fact, was likely working against our NIL initiatives and goals. So, while you are right, Iowa has a doner problem but that's the case in Football too. Iowa is not going to compete with the blue bloods as far as spending there either. They already don't right? They're not even close to Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State....or literally every SEC team. They've just been more competitive on the field then hoops but our HOF coach is coming towards the end of his career and his program might walk out the door with him.

Iowa had to do this or it's just compounding the problem...and while they may not have an NIL that will rival Indiana, IL or Purdue, they could have a robust one that is comparable to many of their peers in the midwest with a good coach who will be a face of the program and get the ball rolling down hill instead of pushing it up the hill, and then getting ran over by it, like the last 5 years of Fran.
Iowa is in the upper third of the conference and competitive nationally in football NIL Basketball we are at the bottom of the conference other than Minnesota which is in the same boat, same thing in P6.

I’m not arguing that Fran shouldn’t have been let go, I’m arguing that the coach we bring in isn’t the main concern. It’s the NIL amount they have available to divvy out. Chicken/egg problem because you need NIL salary to get a good coach. Coaching pay, facilities, long term contract isn’t enough anymore. You need to think of the coaching pay and NIL budget as hand in hand.

Even getting CHA 3/4ths full every night isn’t going to spur $5-6 million in additional donations.

There isn’t a fix to this. It just is what it is with the Iowa donor base. Basketball doesn’t fit into the scheme of things now, where it does with Illinois, Purdue, etc. I wouldn’t trade places with either of those programs at all because we have them topped in football. Of course those schools’ donors are going to lean into basketball, it’s the only thing they have that’s worth a shit. Iowa has the same thing only opposite. Football is our gig (at least compared to BB).
 
I just donated $100 to the Swarm, I've never felt compelled to until today. I think there's an underestimated fan base for Iowa basketball and with the right hire this could all turn around close to over night, so I am going to disagree with some of the takes here.
 
I'd think the best case scenario for maximizing payroll for the immediate term would be for Drake to advance to the Sweet 16. Hawkeye fans are usually somewhat excited by a UNI or Drake run. So on one hand they'd be energized to want that for the Iowa men's team.

At the same time, McCollum will be a national darling for the week, and Iowan group-think will be that the Hawks can land him as coach if only they pony up enough money and keep other suitors at bay. So there will be an urgency/anxiousness there too.

Now I have no idea if McCollum would be interested.

But I think those 6 days or whatever from Saturday until Drake's Sweet 16 game would be Goetz's best opportunity to juice folks for every dollar possible.

After that, assuming Iowa doesn't land him, I think fans will need to see some results on the court to excite them in order to drop some more cash.
 
I think it's fair to question a guy who's taken 3 jobs in 3 years. It's suspect, even when you are chasing millions and the job you want. As someone who hires 10+ people a week, I can assure you I judge everyone by how many jobs they have a take and more isn't better.

Also, think about this. Devries hasn't won an NCAA game. Not 1. He somehow took the Drake gig, didn't win a game in the postseason, lobbied that into a better job at WV, where he didn't even MAKE the tournament and now he's coaching Indiana.

That's a huge risk for Indiana. It wasn't for Iowa. He's going to fail.
Yup yup yup. Not totally certain about the failing part. But I'd say based on the last 10-15 yrs of recent history that if he doesn't get off to a hot start that his leash will be very short. He probably wouldn't get a 3rd yr if they aren't dancing either of the next 2 yrs. Those are some tough working conditions.

Had he came to Iowa with the $ situation and overall condition of the program he'd get a much longer leash. Iowa's literally blowing it all up. They may not have 2 or 3 returning players period let alone starters. If that. The two programs are in way different situations to state the obvious.
 
Iowa is in the upper third of the conference and competitive nationally in football NIL Basketball we are at the bottom of the conference other than Minnesota which is in the same boat, same thing in P6.

I’m not arguing that Fran shouldn’t have been let go, I’m arguing that the coach we bring in isn’t the main concern. It’s the NIL amount they have available to divvy out. Chicken/egg problem because you need NIL salary to get a good coach. Coaching pay, facilities, long term contract isn’t enough anymore. You need to think of the coaching pay and NIL budget as hand in hand.

Even getting CHA 3/4ths full every night isn’t going to spur $5-6 million in additional donations.

There isn’t a fix to this. It just is what it is with the Iowa donor base. Basketball doesn’t fit into the scheme of things now, where it does with Illinois, Purdue, etc. I wouldn’t trade places with either of those programs at all because we have them topped in football. Of course those schools’ donors are going to lean into basketball, it’s the only thing they have that’s worth a shit. Iowa has the same thing only opposite. Football is our gig (at least compared to BB).
Totally agree about the other schools you mentioned. Basketball schools primarily. finance 10 to 14 players compared to 105 to 115 football players. Football is by far the number one revenue producing sport in the Big Ten. However, that high number of players could come back to bite colleges in the ass if the player's money demands keep climbing. Could this happen to us? Yes.

What is the BTN paying schools now? I don't follow it too closely anymore. I think the last I heard it was up to around 80 million a year to each big ten school. Sounds like a lot but is it really when considering 105 to 115 players?
 
I'd think the best case scenario for maximizing payroll for the immediate term would be for Drake to advance to the Sweet 16. Hawkeye fans are usually somewhat excited by a UNI or Drake run. So on one hand they'd be energized to want that for the Iowa men's team.

At the same time, McCollum will be a national darling for the week, and Iowan group-think will be that the Hawks can land him as coach if only they pony up enough money and keep other suitors at bay. So there will be an urgency/anxiousness there too.

Now I have no idea if McCollum would be interested.

But I think those 6 days or whatever from Saturday until Drake's Sweet 16 game would be Goetz's best opportunity to juice folks for every dollar possible.

After that, assuming Iowa doesn't land him, I think fans will need to see some results on the court to excite them in order to drop some more cash.
Maybe bring a couple of McCollum's best players from Drake and have some Iowa players meet with McCollum and then return to the team and withdraw from the portal. Then draw the fans back into the equation. More public appearances with the coaches and players to help the fans feel like they are a part of the equation.
 
According to Dochterman and Heinrichs the other day, five big ten schools are projected to be at the $8-9 million in NIL salary next year not including rev-share. Iowa (according to Heinrichs, not me) is looking at about $2 million form rev share plus what they have from the Swarm which is about $2 million as it stands. So about $4 million tops.

It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. Iowa. Hires.

They do not have the money to pay a winnable team to come here and unfortunately this is the beginning of the end of Iowa basketball as we've known it since the 80s. I suggest people watch Rob and Dochterman's most recent pod. I linked it in a post yesterday. What I'm saying isn't hyperbole, those two are as close to the workings of the program and the Big Ten as anyone not employed by it and they say the same thing. You thought the Lick years were bad, hold on to your butts. in 2025 this game is 100% about money and we ain't got any. The only team projected to have as little as we do is Minnesota, and they are also looking for a coach without any luck. The first thing any of these guys are asking isn't "How much money are you going to pay me," or "What capital improvements are you making," or "How would my contract be structured," it's "How much NIL do I have to work with?" If you can't answer that then it's, "Thanks for your time; I'll see myself out..."

It doesn't matter if the guy was born in Iowa, or if he's a good developmental coach, no one with real potential is going to go anywhere if they can't be even remotely sure they can get the players they want.

Why the hell would McCollum come here over Drake? He's winning ballgames there, and if he came to Iowa he'd immediately be put in a situation he can't succeed in. Because he grew up in Storm Lake? Gimme a break...He'd come to Iowa and have a full arena for about a month before the novelty wore off and then he's coaching and losing in front of 3,000 fans and getting blown up about how he sucks and should be fired, and then where's he at in his career? He's way smarter to either stay at Drake for a bit and win until he gets an offer from a real program that will give him something to work with, or if he gets a good offer now to take that one. And he knows it. Especially the longer this thing drags on because Iowa's NIL shortfall is becoming more a national news tidbit than a local one.

Even if we did get a coach who somehow energized fans and started filling Carver, what does that gain you? Rev-share is capped at $20.5 million per school which Iowa is already dividing up between football, WBB, and wrestling. You can't give that additional ticket revenue to players.

Fran definitely shares some blame for not drumming up money while he was here. But do we think realistically he'd be able to quadruple donations somehow? Because that's what would need to happen.

Donors you can't really blame because it's their money to do with what they want. We can't bitch about other people not spending money that doesn't belong to us.

The fact is this program doesn't have the donor interest to compete in basketball. We have to choose one sport over the other and that's the way it is.
Thanks for that link that you shared. That was really interesting to listen to. They touched heavily on my comment just above this one about how Fran was not getting out with his players and interacting enough with the fan base.
 

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