Important Time for Hawkeye Wide Receivers

[NikeHawk21]

You’re picking one WR at Wisconsin. Dominique Douglas did it at Iowa. It’s possible.

Iowa developed HS QBs in DJK, McNutt, Hinkel and Solomon into good to very good WRs. So, yeah, that’s possible, too.

That’s what Iowa needs to do. It doesn’t get ready-made receivers.

If the criticism is that Iowa can’t recruit ready-made receivers, that’s tough to debate. How Iowa uses its receivers doesn’t look attractive to recruits that can play in more pass-heavy offenses. That’s what makes Purdue more attractive to David Bell.

It is what it is. If the call is to change Iowa’s offense, that’s another discussion. But you’re naive and wasting your time if you’re waiting for that to change under this head coach.

In the current offense, Iowa is going to play the receivers that know the playbook, block, understand the route concepts (see Stanley’s quote in this story) and check the coaches’ boxes.

I get it. Most of you guys don’t like it. But that’s not changing. It’s not as simple as run down the field and get open in this scheme.

The point of the article wasn’t to debate the narratives about Iowa’s receivers. The point was that under the current scheme and philosophy on offense, the development of guys like B Smith, ISM and others gives the position the opportunity to be more productive moving forward.

All the other white noise that you guys are bringing up isn’t changing anything. Christ. It’s been 20 years and some you guys continue to bang your heads against the wall. Wake up.

DD88 was my guy. Why did he have to go and get in trouble? I was looking at old recruiting classes the other day and saw he was in the same recruiting class as DJK. What a combo that could have been.

I’m not calling for a coaching change but I guess my hope was under BF we would be able to utilize WRs more. It hasn’t happened to date, but these guys are young as you mention.

Remember when Kirk was ultra conservative and fans bitched and moaned about that?Seems he changed his ways there some. I think it’s good for the fans, and hopefully the media to call the staff on some of the shortcomings, and not walk in lockstep with every thing KF does. I believe recruiting has seen an uptick over recent years, why can’t eventually WR utilization and WR recruiting improve as well? Again I’m not calling for KF’s head, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve criticism either, that’s the healthy motivation needed to succeed.

 

[revkev73]

DD88 was my guy. Why did he have to go and get in trouble? I was looking at old recruiting classes the other day and saw he was in the same recruiting class as DJK. What a combo that could have been.

I’m not calling for a coaching change but I guess my hope was under BF we would be able to utilize WRs more. It hasn’t happened to date, but these guys are young as you mention.

Remember when Kirk was ultra conservative and fans bitched and moaned about that?Seems he changed his ways there some. I think it’s good for the fans, and hopefully the media to call the staff on some of the shortcomings, and not walk in lockstep with every thing KF does. I believe recruiting has seen an uptick over recent years, why can’t eventually WR utilization and WR recruiting improve as well? Again I’m not calling for KF’s head, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve criticism either, that’s the healthy motivation needed to succeed.

It goes beyond the land of the surreal that we are talking about a 20 year tenured, highly paid, HC (who hired his inexperienced son) hoping that at some point he can figure out how to use WRs in college football of today. There is no better place to coach than Iowa, incompetent AD, forgiving, adoring fan base.

 

[uihawk82]

[QUOTE="NikeHawk21, post: 1792917, member:
How can we see a one play 40 yard TD to ISM against NW on a deep post but not see again or in many other games?[/QUOTE]

This is exactly much of the problem. As I said the hawks threw it deep 4 times against NW and 3 were positive for a nice 75% efficiency. Keep doing it. Force the other team to back up their safeties and then throw over the middle and over their lbkrs until the lbkrs are back on their heels somewhat.

ISM has the speed to threaten deep, so did Hock and Fant and maybe B Smith. When the opposing corners start playing deep and turning and running then the comeback route starts to get really effective as an option route. I saw Okla. and Murray just kill ISU this year with the deep comeback routes.

I think BF was pass first in the big upset of OSU because they thougth that was the only way to win, that we might not be able to consistently run the ball against OSU. The hawk coaches have to and need to find a way to get that 8th guy out of the box and then run it, or even flank out another receiver to take the 7th guy out of the box on defense and then run it and mix it up.

I do like how BF has started throwing to the running backs a little more and Toren Young made a great catch and run also.

 

[revkev73]

[QUOTE="NikeHawk21, post: 1792917, member:
How can we see a one play 40 yard TD to ISM against NW on a deep post but not see again or in many other games?

This is exactly much of the problem. As I said the hawks threw it deep 4 times against NW and 3 were positive for a nice 75% efficiency. Keep doing it. Force the other team to back up their safeties and then throw over the middle and over their lbkrs until the lbkrs are back on their heels somewhat.

ISM has the speed to threaten deep, so did Hock and Fant and maybe B Smith. When the opposing corners start playing deep and turning and running then the comeback route starts to get really effective as an option route. I saw Okla. and Murray just kill ISU this year with the deep comeback routes.

I think BF was pass first in the big upset of OSU because they thougth that was the only way to win, that we might not be able to consistently run the ball against OSU. The hawk coaches have to and need to find a way to get that 8th guy out of the box and then run it, or even flank out another receiver to take the 7th guy out of the box on defense and then run it and mix it up.

I do like how BF has started throwing to the running backs a little more and Toren Young made a great catch and run also.[/QUOTE]
Forward to coaching staff.

 

[Gibsonian]

Thinking we could use a guy on the staff who was a successful WR at pro level or college that ran pro style offense. One that can still run routes.

 

[Mrke1]

You’re picking one WR at Wisconsin. Dominique Douglas did it at Iowa. It’s possible.

Iowa developed HS QBs in DJK, McNutt, Hinkel and Solomon into good to very good WRs. So, yeah, that’s possible, too.

That’s what Iowa needs to do. It doesn’t get ready-made receivers.

If the criticism is that Iowa can’t recruit ready-made receivers, that’s tough to debate. How Iowa uses its receivers doesn’t look attractive to recruits that can play in more pass-heavy offenses. That’s what makes Purdue more attractive to David Bell.

It is what it is. If the call is to change Iowa’s offense, that’s another discussion. But you’re naive and wasting your time if you’re waiting for that to change under this head coach.

In the current offense, Iowa is going to play the receivers that know the playbook, block, understand the route concepts (see Stanley’s quote in this story) and check the coaches’ boxes.

I get it. Most of you guys don’t like it. But that’s not changing. It’s not as simple as run down the field and get open in this scheme.

The point of the article wasn’t to debate the narratives about Iowa’s receivers. The point was that under the current scheme and philosophy on offense, the development of guys like B Smith, ISM and others gives the position the opportunity to be more productive moving forward.

All the other white noise that you guys are bringing up isn’t changing anything. Christ. It’s been 20 years and some you guys continue to bang your heads against the wall. Wake up.

Rob - You’re exactly right about things not changing under this head coach. We’re banging our heads against the wall because if the program doesn’t change, we’re in for some really dark days. Both the NFL and CFB are changing to high flying, quick strike offenses. They’ve been changing for a while. Nebraska is the perfect example of this. Their entire identity was built on running the ball and their “black shirt” defense. They hired a coach known for everything that’s the opposite of that and will slowly transition themselves into a modern team.

 

[Robowe]

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