chucktownhawk
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I counted a full before he even got the ball off. Fucking bullshit
If you think College Refs are bad, Iowa High School has them as well
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smitharooney
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Some of the top basketball officials in Northwest Iowa didn’t get their clinic hours completed or finish their online rules video . There is a tight window to get those submitted. Those were the hoops I was referring too
Fryowa
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That wouldn’t have anything to do with post season though, you’re not allowed to work a varsity game at all (even regular season) until you do.
chucktownhawk
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OMG!!
smitharooney
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That's not true. The assignor in the Sioux City area lines up refs for varsity games if he can't find anyone which is common with the ref shortage for regular season games.
smitharooney
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Hell half the regular season was over before some of the clinics and the online video were even made available in our area. I probably reffed 30 games before I did my mandatory rules meeting
kicker22
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You sure about that? I don't know how it is for officials, but if a head coach fails to complete the online rules meeting I don't think they can participate in post season play.
Never mind: I didn't read your next post.
Knight78
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Tuesday night, Waterloo West faced North Scott at the U.S. Cellular Center in Cedar Rapids, the winner would go to state next week in Des Moines. The WaHawks had a two point lead with only 0.6 left in the game. A Lancer player threw a Hail Mary pass down court. #32 for North Scott (who will play for UNI next year) leaped up, caught the ball, landed on his feet, had to adjust his body and threw up a prayer of a shot that was a long distance shot and made the basket for the Lancer to win the game by one point. The WaHawk head coach after the game said with only 0.6 left that it would be physically in human to do that with only that much time left. After the game, the refs with in seconds awarded the basket (not sure if they have replay monitors in Iowa HS hoops?) and they ran off the court immediatley after the game ended. Best part, those refs are from North Scott and the person running the game clock was from North Scott and multiple people at the game and on West's bench said the clock operator started the clock late. Look at these photos and I wonder if the IHSAA will do anything about this? W West got screwed big time and why would you have refs and a clock operator for one of the teams playing even working a big game like that?!?!? Really not fair to West High.
We can debate if the timekeeper started the clock at the exact right moment, but there's a video on the Waterloo Courier site about this and if you break it down you can see that when the red light around the backboard goes on the shot is clearly in the air.
So as far as beating the buzzer: yes, Anderson beat the buzzer. As far as the clock starting at the proper time? That's debatable.
Oh, and the Courier is the only place saying the refs / scoring table are from North Scott. In another interview I saw, a clearly frustrated McKowen only says that only North Scott was made aware of who the refs and scoring table people were - no mention that they were from North Scott.
Knight78
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All the rest of your comments, I have little to say about. This one, though, proves you don't know anything about Iowa HS tournament games. The gate receipts for all tournament games go to the venue and to the IHSAA.
And are you really going to price a bunch of parents out of watching their kids perform just so the school can have better equipment? Back when I coached HS basketball, we ran at least one fund raiser per year (usually two) so that the players could all afford shoes.
Knight78
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Maybe Pollard had something to do with that? He has been banned from several of the conference gyms in the Heart of Iowa Conference, where Gilbert (where his kids went to school) plays.
Knight78
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I see what you did there.....
Fryowa
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See below. You can't officiate a varsity game without passing the test and watching the online rules meeting (and a clinic once every three years). At some point the school would have to tell them that they didn't use certified officials which is a huge no-no and liability if someone gets hurt. This absolutely did not happen. He might have reffed 30 games, but they weren't Iowa HS contests.
The online rules meeting is just a PowerPoint type thing that becomes available statewide before the season. There's nothing unique about the SC area that would cause it to come out later there. My coworker I mentioned in the earlier posts is a Sioux City guy; he just forwarded me the IASHAA email letting basketball officials know the online rules meeting was available November 4th. Games couldn't start until November 16th. The test and online rules meetings do not come out at different times for different areas.
There were five basketball clinics in the state and all five were held in October.
10/16 was in Ankeny
10/23 was in CR and Winterset
10/30 was in SC (at East) and Washington
There are only three things needed to officiate a sport in Iowa...pass the test, watch the online rules meeting, and go to an IAHSAA clinic once every three years. No other outside clinics satisfy that. Nothing about what you said is correct. You're shitting us.
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Fryowa
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The argument for tabling it was that if they upped the offense level for officials they wouldn't be able to draw the line clearly as far as who else should get protection (teachers reporters, etc.)
https://www.radioiowa.com/2020/01/2...ting-whistle-blowers-at-iowa-sporting-events/
Fryowa
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The lady running the clock had a North Scott shirt on. The picture was all over Twitter.
Fryowa
Administrator
You're missing the point, bolded above is exactly what's in question, but it's not debatable. There's clear video evidence that the clock started way after contact.
Everyone knows the shot was in the air before the buzzer, but it doesn't matter.
There’s no ambiguity here as to what happened or what went wrong.
The clock operator waited way too long to start the clock. It’s black and white.
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1hawkeye1
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If you're looking for a way to prevent human error from affecting outcomes of games you will never find it. The more rules and regulations you add, the more you complicate things. The more you complicate things, the easier it is to make a mistake.
Let's say we review that ending and make sure she started the clock on time. Well then shouldn't we go back through the entire game and make sure she never started it early either?
It's a shitty way to lose a game for sure. The poor lady probably made a mistake. But the players weren't perfect, the coaches weren't perfect, and the refs weren't perfect. Still sucks for one team though. That's sports and that's life.
Let's say we review that ending and make sure she started the clock on time. Well then shouldn't we go back through the entire game and make sure she never started it early either?
It's a shitty way to lose a game for sure. The poor lady probably made a mistake. But the players weren't perfect, the coaches weren't perfect, and the refs weren't perfect. Still sucks for one team though. That's sports and that's life.
HawkGold
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First I feel bad for your littleness.
Been a HS coach in 3 sports with a 70 percent winning percentage. Quit due to health reasons. I work as an economist and property manager. Likely I ve analyzed this more than you.
The tourney refs are a product of the system. Being the best of a poorly trained and paid group doesn't begin with a high bar. Also some of the absolute best refs don't always get great grades from coaches not happy with decisions... Unpopular ones.
Raise pay you get a better pool. Schools aren't mandated to provide sports teams for education. It's an extra. In todays world unless it's a Waterloo type team, many players come thru travel teams. The poor kids are already weeded out in many schools to the disadvantage of the game. Very few parents couldn't not afford a 15$ ticket price which still wouldn't really cover prices. In many schools affluent parents do a lot of donating.... Payoffs for influence.
The system we get is what we pay for.
Shoes are a whole different story and out of control.
Your description of your thoughts is what creates the problems in the first place.
You want to keep the cake and eat it as well.
I could select perfectly fine shoes for less than half cost and same goes for warmups war so on. The schools use it to find raise.
Younger parents are also slamming the door on fundraising except for kids on teams.
Our school charges a sports participation fee of 200.
The days of little Johnny being big man at Danville are numbered in the current form
You want a professional program, pay for one. You are like our local car repair shop bitching he can't keep mechanics for 20 an hour. Pay 40 and decent ones might stay.
Bitch bitch bitch bitch.
That account is a great follow if you love being angry at random people.
They even feature Iowa regularly during basketball season!