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FreddyBrown

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...Bobby Hansen offered an analogy he got from John Stockton, and Lick said he has used it himself:

When you first start driving a car, you're focused solely on yourself and the car immediately ahead of you.

After you become an experienced driver, you're able to pay attention to everything--the car ahead of you, the car behind you, the cars approaching in the oncoming lanes--and hopefully you make good decisions based on seeing what's coming a step or two ahead.

That's the difference between freshmen and upperclassmen--though some get it sooner, some get it later, and some never get it. (Just as there are some very bad experienced drivers. Experience is one thing, judgment is another!)

On a different but related topic: Lick said he had drilled the players on not trying to inbound the ball long against Ohio State because of their advantage in length and athleticism. Notwithstanding the teaching, Gatens did exactly that on the inbound pass that ET stole and jammed to put Ohio State in control.

Is that inexperience by Gatens, poor teaching by the coaching staff, or just great defense that left Gatens no other options?
 
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The other thing with that inbounds pass was that there were only three seconds left on the shot clock. He has to know that if he throws it there is no way to get a shot off in time. That was yet another reason not to throw that pass to Payne. He HAS to know to not make that pass and supposedly he has been given the responsiblity to inbounds the ball because he will be smart in his choices.

While there may not have been any better options to get it to an Iowa guy, any other pass to a more well-defended player would have actually been a better pass than that one.
 
Ohio State does a GREAT and I mean GREAT job of guarding the inbounds pass. They've got a monster guarding the ball and they've got a 3 great athletes contesting everything.

As a player, you sometimes get used to that long ball outlet being open, but not against OSU. I wouldn't call it bad coaching, just a bad decision. Maybe a little on the inexperience part but Gatens is a pretty heady player. I'd just call it great defense (which it was) and not worry too much about it.

Other than the fact it was a big momentum shifter, but who wants to talk about boring stuff like that?
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I agree with your point. However I wouldn't single Gatens out for the mid-court pass. No one else seemed to be able to get themselves open for the inbounds pass so I don't think Matt had any better options.
 
FreddyBrown said:
...Bobby Hansen offered an analogy he got from John Stockton, and Lick said he has used it himself:

When you first start driving a car, you're focused solely on yourself and the car immediately ahead of you.

After you become an experienced driver, you're able to pay attention to everything--the car ahead of you, the car behind you, the cars approaching in the oncoming lanes--and hopefully you make good decisions based on seeing what's coming a step or two ahead.

That's the difference between freshmen and upperclassmen--though some get it sooner, some get it later, and some never get it. (Just as there are some very bad experienced drivers. Experience is one thig, judgment is another!)

On a different but related topic: Lick said he had drilled the players in not trying to inbound the ball long against Ohio State because of their advantage in length and athleticism. Notwithstanding the teaching, Gatens did exactly that on the inbound pass that ET stole and jammed to put Ohio State in control.

Is that inexperience by Gatens, poor teaching by the coaching staff, or just great defense that left Gatens no other options?
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No doubt that repetition enhances recognition and field vision...like for a QB...now, that said, for some,it will never click in where everything slows down making decisions easier ...like it is for Peyton Manning at this point in his career.
Then you watch a Ty Thomas of the Bulls, who is in his 4th yr..and he is still not recognizing and reacting correctly at a high enough rate considering the time on the floor...sadly,because he is a marvelous athlete..maybe it will click in later for him.
 
AZmess said:
Ohio State does a GREAT and I mean GREAT job of guarding the inbounds pass. They've got a monster guarding the ball and they've got a 3 great athletes contesting everything.
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I think they said he had a 7'5" wingspan, and Turner had a 7'0" wingspan. Combine the two when trying to make that pass = tough.
 
Rule Clarification: When can the player "inbounding" the ball move up and down the baseline?
Brunner used to do that all the time. Is it only on one side your defending side of the court?
 
HaydensDad said:
Rule Clarification: When can the player "inbounding" the ball move up and down the baseline?
Brunner used to do that all the time. Is it only on one side your defending side of the court?
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I think it's only after a made basket, and since Iowa was inbounding after an out of bounds or OSU foul, Matt had to stay in that spot.
 
Iowa seems to have more trouble inbounding the ball than other teams...and not just this year, either.
 
HaydensDad said:
Rule Clarification: When can the player "inbounding" the ball move up and down the baseline?
Brunner used to do that all the time. Is it only on one side your defending side of the court?
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You can move only when inbounding after a made basket by the other team.
 
FreddyBrown said:
...Bobby Hansen offered an analogy he got from John Stockton, and Lick said he has used it himself:

When you first start driving a car, you're focused solely on yourself and the car immediately ahead of you.

After you become an experienced driver, you're able to pay attention to everything--the car ahead of you, the car behind you, the cars approaching in the oncoming lanes--and hopefully you make good decisions based on seeing what's coming a step or two ahead.

That's the difference between freshmen and upperclassmen--though some get it sooner, some get it later, and some never get it. (Just as there are some very bad experienced drivers. Experience is one thing, judgment is another!)

On a different but related topic: Lick said he had drilled the players on not trying to inbound the ball long against Ohio State because of their advantage in length and athleticism. Notwithstanding the teaching, Gatens did exactly that on the inbound pass that ET stole and jammed to put Ohio State in control.

Is that inexperience by Gatens, poor teaching by the coaching staff, or just great defense that left Gatens no other options?
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If Lick mentioned he drilled the players about throwing the deep pass, then either it was a bad play by Gatens or good defense by OSU!
 
ForeverHawk said:
If Lick mentioned he drilled the players about throwing the deep pass, then either it was a bad play by Gatens or good defense by OSU!
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There is a third alternative. Two people can try to teach the same thing to the same group of students with the same materials, and one can have much better results than another. All teachers are not created equal. Sometimes the inequality stems from the fact that students just want to listen to one teacher more than the other.

However, I think in this particular instance it was as Mess said--good defense by Ohio State, and Matt just didn't see another alternative as the 5 second count wound down.
 
FreddyBrown said:
There is a third alternative. Two people can try to teach the same thing to the same group of students with the same materials, and one can have much better results than another. All teachers are not created equal. Sometimes the inequality stems from the fact that students just want to listen to one teacher more than the other.

However, I think in this particular instance it was as Mess said--good defense by Ohio State, and Matt just didn't see another alternative as the 5 second count wound down.
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I agree, as its much easier said than done. The pressure starts to mount the more the time ticks in your head. It seems that throwing the ball to what is suppossed to be as the safety outlet pass is better than just holidng it for 5 seconds for a guaranteed TO. However, it just didn't work out this time as it resulted in the TO and the lay up.
 
It might have been good defense, but I still don't understand why we never run a screen on an inbounds play. That is one of the few things that really irritates me about this team. It seems like we always have to throw it deep or barely get the ball inbounds right next to the sideline.
 
Fuller did have an easy lay up on one of the in bound plays earlier in the game. However, this is a rarity
 
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