BSpringsteen
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We can't suddenly become a tournament team without someone else not becoming one.
Who is the most fragile?
Who is the most fragile?
If we are back, who dies?
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Dragonhawk
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as far as the conference nobody has to die, the stronger the conference the more teams get in, rather than 5 getting in you now have 7, sorta like the big east
ibahawkeye
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I'm going to go with Indiana. Crean has a young team but if he doesn't start getting some results in terms of wins, the Indiana fans will really start to lose their patience and he may find him on the hot seat. If they have to hire a new coach, that could set them back a few years.
Churlish79
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This year's Indiana recruiting class is ranked considerably higher than our own.
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webber is as big an underachiever as teh zookie
webber is as big an underachiever as teh zookie
1977Hawkeye
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That's what I was thinking. And Minny seems to be on the slide. I also don't think Michigan is insurmountable, either.
OSU, Wisconsin, Purdue and MSU seem to be annual fixtures in the NCAA Tournament, and we usually end up with a 5th team (someone like ILL, Minny, etc.). That 5th team could be us..
But as someone else pointed out, we could be a 6-bid league instead of a 5-bid league. The conference has room for more tourney teams.
1977Hawkeye
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If Crean is going to make a move, it will happen soon. He's been bringing in a lot of talent - he just needs to coach it and keep it healthy, and they will be back in the NCAA's.
ibahawkeye
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They have had good recruiting classes and still haven't been able to win. Crean hasn't done much as a coach without a guy by the name of Dwayne Wade.
okeefe4prez
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Take the negativity elsewhere, bub. This team is back and will be the FIRST B10 team selected for the tourney, not some crappy 46 RPI bubble team, like Illinois.
1977Hawkeye
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DodgerHawki
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The Big is different than it was...
You bring up an interesting point and one I've posted about before. Yes, the overall conference can improve and get more than 5 in the tournament, but to get to the upper half of the Big 10, you have to step over others to do so.
Indiana will not be down at the bottom forever/too much longer. We are excited about our 2012 class, but Indiana's is better, and Crean is in a good spot to collect good talent on a yearly basis. Other cite Illinois, and yes it could be true that Weber has underachieved somewhat recently, the upcoming classes in Illinois have LOTS of talent, and Illinois will get enough of that talent to be good.
The big difference between B1G when Iowa was in its heyday in the 1980s and today is the rise of Wisconsin and Ohio State. Wisky went decades in the wilderness as a non-entity in basketball. Bo Ryan does not appear to be going anywhere and has that program on auto-pilot. And from 1976-89, Ohio State made the NCAA tournament only 5 times. Then the last 5 years of the Randy Ayers era in Columbus was a disaster, Bucks missed the NCAA tournament from 1992-93 until 1998-99 when O'Brien arrived. It's difficult to comprehend that OSU made the tournament from 1972 to 1998 just 8 times given the resources for the Buckeyes.
Minnesota is vulnerable, but Tubby has been in the tourney 2 of his 4 years. As long as he is there, Gophers will be contending for NCAA berths most years. Purdue has been consistent with Painter, but we shall see if can continue the success beyond the Johnson/Moore/Hummel class. Belein appears to have Michigan in a good spot, they are bringing in good players.
MSU is a juggernaut now (and will be for the forseeable future with Izzo), but from 1979-80 season to 1988-89, Spartans made tournament just 2 times. MSU's late resurgence at the end of the Heathcote era coincides with the time Izzo became an assistant at MSU.
Northwestern still hasn't made the NCAA tournament, but are light years better than the Rich Falk, Bill Foster, Ricky Byrdsong disasters.
Penn State makes occasional tournament appearances, but nothing sustained. It seems like a program that would be capable with the right coach, but to date they haven't found the guy.
B1G is a much different conference than it was when Iowa was making hay. Northwestern and Wisconsin were gimmees. Ohio State was not consistently good. MSU was surprisingly not good in the 1980s. Iowa basically spent 25+ years ignoring basketball facilities (following construction of Carver). During that time everyone else in the B1G (save Northwestern) was pouring money into new practice facilities and/or arenas (MSU, OSU, Wisky all new arenas), while Iowa did nothing. We are just now beginning to emerge from that.
I fear that Iowa fans will not be satisfied unless we are making the tournament 8-9 times out of 10 in a decade. I want that as much as anyone and expectations should be high. But I'm not sure repeating 1980s-level of success should be a litmus test for a basketball coach at Iowa.
You bring up an interesting point and one I've posted about before. Yes, the overall conference can improve and get more than 5 in the tournament, but to get to the upper half of the Big 10, you have to step over others to do so.
Indiana will not be down at the bottom forever/too much longer. We are excited about our 2012 class, but Indiana's is better, and Crean is in a good spot to collect good talent on a yearly basis. Other cite Illinois, and yes it could be true that Weber has underachieved somewhat recently, the upcoming classes in Illinois have LOTS of talent, and Illinois will get enough of that talent to be good.
The big difference between B1G when Iowa was in its heyday in the 1980s and today is the rise of Wisconsin and Ohio State. Wisky went decades in the wilderness as a non-entity in basketball. Bo Ryan does not appear to be going anywhere and has that program on auto-pilot. And from 1976-89, Ohio State made the NCAA tournament only 5 times. Then the last 5 years of the Randy Ayers era in Columbus was a disaster, Bucks missed the NCAA tournament from 1992-93 until 1998-99 when O'Brien arrived. It's difficult to comprehend that OSU made the tournament from 1972 to 1998 just 8 times given the resources for the Buckeyes.
Minnesota is vulnerable, but Tubby has been in the tourney 2 of his 4 years. As long as he is there, Gophers will be contending for NCAA berths most years. Purdue has been consistent with Painter, but we shall see if can continue the success beyond the Johnson/Moore/Hummel class. Belein appears to have Michigan in a good spot, they are bringing in good players.
MSU is a juggernaut now (and will be for the forseeable future with Izzo), but from 1979-80 season to 1988-89, Spartans made tournament just 2 times. MSU's late resurgence at the end of the Heathcote era coincides with the time Izzo became an assistant at MSU.
Northwestern still hasn't made the NCAA tournament, but are light years better than the Rich Falk, Bill Foster, Ricky Byrdsong disasters.
Penn State makes occasional tournament appearances, but nothing sustained. It seems like a program that would be capable with the right coach, but to date they haven't found the guy.
B1G is a much different conference than it was when Iowa was making hay. Northwestern and Wisconsin were gimmees. Ohio State was not consistently good. MSU was surprisingly not good in the 1980s. Iowa basically spent 25+ years ignoring basketball facilities (following construction of Carver). During that time everyone else in the B1G (save Northwestern) was pouring money into new practice facilities and/or arenas (MSU, OSU, Wisky all new arenas), while Iowa did nothing. We are just now beginning to emerge from that.
I fear that Iowa fans will not be satisfied unless we are making the tournament 8-9 times out of 10 in a decade. I want that as much as anyone and expectations should be high. But I'm not sure repeating 1980s-level of success should be a litmus test for a basketball coach at Iowa.
Dragonhawk
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you act like Iowa is the only one playing a conference game and everybody else is loading up on non -conference gimme's, the stronger the conference means that everybody will play everybody and somebody wins and somebody loses OSU stll has to play Wisc just like every one has to play OSU, and there is no guantee they will win them all, up and down the line in the conference, the trick is maintaining home court and stealing 1-3 on the road, win the OOC and get 11-13 conf, game and get a win or two in the BTT, then go into NCAA Tourny with a good seed and the do your damage, make the ELITE 8 or sweet 16 and you will get more top players
HawkeyeMike23
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Indiana and Michigan are both well on their way up. Minnesota and Purdue both will be down, Wisconsin will be solid as usual but never great. Illinois, who really knows? Weber's teams have been consistently inconsistent since Dee Brown's class graduated. Michigan St will still be good but they have slipped a little in both recruiting and on court results lately. They haven't been an elite team for two years now and I don't expect them to be next year either. Ohio St will still probably be the most talented team almost every season and the conference favorite for the next few years. Northwestern, Penn St, and Nebraska are all teams we should be better than every year.
Dragonhawk
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if Iowa finishes with a top 20 class and continues to add to it every year, i would hope we do better than finish 10th, as this is top 20 in the Nation, so for people to even think this will a bottum of the BT team is silly
DuffMan
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DEAD!!!
I was hoping that wasn't wasted.