If the Falcons had KF as OC, they'd be SB champs

[tweeterhawk]

First down at the opponents' 20 in the waning minutes, RUN the ball and then kick the damned field goal. Then hold on for the win. Who calls a pass play in that situation when there could be a penalty, a sack, etc., etc.? Sheesh...

 

[trj]

ehhh, Iowa offered Matt Ryan, I am curious what would have happened if KF would have got his paws on him. I need to check a timeline, but that eliminates Stanzi......Does it eliminate JVB and Jake Christensen as well?

 

[Hawkalum2002]

Matt Ryan would've been in Drew Tate's class. But Drew played as a true freshman in 2003 when Ryan redshirted. JC would just have been able to let Ryan get killed in 2007 instead of getting killed himself lol. Christensen not playing until 2008 as a junior, with an experienced line and some experienced receivers might've changed everything for him. Then again, Ryan starting just one year and getting killed behind that line and no one to catch the ball, and he's probably not playing in the NFL either. Stanzi may not have come as he was behind Arvell Nelson in their recruiting class, but not sure who committed first. If Nelson doesn't get kicked out, Stanzi may have never seen the field anyway at Iowa. Stanzi was the clear number three in 2007, and awful when he did get in against Syracuse.

 

[uihawk82]

A fg is never a sure thing.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

If the Falcons had KF as OC they'd not have made the playoffs!!!

 

[Adam]

If the Falcons had KF as OC they'd not have made the playoffs!!!

They might had made the playoffs on a 1 out of every 5 years rotation. They wouldn't have made the superbowl though. For all of Kirk's positives his largest glaring weakness is shitting the bed when all the marbles are on the line.

 

[NEIChawk]

A fg is never a sure thing.

Neither is an extra point

 

[guffus]

The Falcons would never been in field goal range if KF was in charge. It was agressive passing and play calling that got the Falcons down the field. Unfortunately it was then agressive play calling that took them out of FG range.

 

[deanvogs]

Either way the Falcons shit the bed in an inexcusable manner. I mean seriously those play calls could have come straight form one of the idiot posters on here crying "PLAY TO WIN, PLAY TO WIN"!!!! I mean playing to win is just running freaking clock and taking a FG in that case.

 

[HawkGold]

Either way the Falcons shit the bed in an inexcusable manner. I mean seriously those play calls could have come straight form one of the idiot posters on here crying "PLAY TO WIN, PLAY TO WIN"!!!! I mean playing to win is just running freaking clock and taking a FG in that case.

KF would gave never pressured Brady in the first half and wouldnt have changed in 2nd half. As an idiot you wouldnt have recognized that. Therefore in the part of the game that got them the lead they played not to win you idiot.

 

[deanvogs]

KF would gave never pressured Brady in the first half and wouldnt have changed in 2nd half. As an idiot you wouldnt have recognized that. Therefore in the part of the game that got them the lead they played not to win you idiot.

Hey dipshit. The OP is about the ONE POSSESSION BY THE FALCONS. If you wanna start another thread about what KF would have done in he first half go ahead. Until then do you really believe that KF does ANYHING other than running the ball and kicking the winning FG in that possession by the Falcons?

 

[HawkGold]

Hey dipshit. The OP is about the ONE POSSESSION BY THE FALCONS. If you wanna start another thread about what KF would have done in he first half go ahead. Until then do you really believe that KF does ANYHING other than running the ball and kicking the winning FG in that possession by the Falcons?

Hey dipshit you are the one who expandedit by the playing to win diarrhea. Sorry you cant put multiple things together. Got bired with basketball and 56 so now you take your garbage to football. Time fir a tired of Deany Weanie thread for intelligent conversation free of name calling.

 

[deanvogs]

Hey dipshit you are the one who expandedit by the playing to win diarrhea. Sorry you cant put multiple things together. Got bired with basketball and 56 so now you take your garbage to football. Time fir a tired of Deany Weanie thread for intelligent conversation free of name calling.

You can be sooooooo sensitive Mr boohoo.

 

[CP87]

KF would gave never pressured Brady in the first half and wouldnt have changed in 2nd half. As an idiot you wouldnt have recognized that. Therefore in the part of the game that got them the lead they played not to win you idiot.

Shots fired! That escalated to a personal attack quickly.

 

[CP87]

If Ferentz was the Falcon's OC, that probably would not work out well in general, considering he has never been an OC before at any level of football. I think he is better suited in the executive role of a head coach than in the more creative role of offensive coordinator.

If KF was head coach, he probably would have overruled the pass calls in favor of runs in those situations. In these particular cases, this probably would have increased win probability. Asking what KF would have done with the million or so decisions up to that point in the season, and how each of those decisions would have influenced the team in isolation and in aggregate, is so complicated as to be absurd. If you want to argue that KF would not have gotten them to the Super Bowl because of his limited pro coaching experience, that is impossible to refute.

 

[HawkGold]

Shots fired! That escalated to a personal attack quickly.

Mostly jerking his chain. My dog needs that sometimes on walks.

The word idiot began with Deanno. Hes was a shotgun spread shot. Mine was more personally fired. We both are terrible marksmen.

 

[CP87]

The discussion of "playing to win" is an interesting one. It should really mean making the decision that best increases your win probability; in some cases that might be the aggressive decision, and in some cases that might be the conservative decision. The problem is that win probability models in football are based on so little data (compared to say, baseball), and there are many more moving pieces in general. Hence, coaches need to rely heavily on experience and intuition. There are many cases where coaches choose what seems very likely to be the less optimal decision based upon "conventional wisdom" and a strong desire to not be blamed for making the game-costing decision (punt vs. go for it provides many examples, as does goal-line FG vs. 4th down attempt). But there are other cases when there is just too much gray area to know which decision is really optimal, even in hindsight. And the evaluation cannot be made just on outcome, because sometimes probability is on your side, but you end up rolling snake eyes (e.g., your kicker misses a 25 yd FG).

 

[deanvogs]

Mostly jerking his chain. My dog needs that sometimes on walks.

The word idiot began with Deanno. Hes was a shotgun spread shot. Mine was more personally fired. We both are terrible marksmen.

Our styles are just different. You like to nip around my ankle like a little yapper dog. I prefer just to unload square in the face one time like an attack dog. One could say im the big alpha dog and you are the loud mouth yapping little beta pup. I mean I personally wouldn't say that, but some might.










Before you get all butt hurt this is a joke.....kinda.

 

[Adam]

This thread proves 2 things. We are all bored, and very sarcastic.

 

[deanvogs]

The discussion of "playing to win" is an interesting one. It should really mean making the decision that best increases your win probability; in some cases that might be the aggressive decision, and in some cases that might be the conservative decision. The problem is that win probability models in football are based on so little data (compared to say, baseball), and there are many more moving pieces in general. Hence, coaches need to rely heavily on experience and intuition. There are many cases where coaches choose what seems very likely to be the less optimal decision based upon "conventional wisdom" and a strong desire to not be blamed for making the game-costing decision (punt vs. go for it provides many examples, as does goal-line FG vs. 4th down attempt). But there are other cases when there is just too much gray area to know which decision is really optimal, even in hindsight. And the evaluation cannot be made just on outcome, because sometimes probability is on your side, but you end up rolling snake eyes (e.g., your kicker misses a 25 yd FG).

Spot on. Playing to win is doing what statistically give you the best shot to win. Run, run, run, kick is playing to win at times