ICbornNraised
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...would we be any better at this point?
YOU NEED TALENT. We have some, but it's young. Thoughts?
YOU NEED TALENT. We have some, but it's young. Thoughts?
If Mike Krzyzewski was our coach...
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Doesn't matter who is coach. Any system can win when you have the players. Roy Williams is not a great coach but he has won a lot of games because of his talent. When he has had mediocre or similar talent as everyone else, ala last year, they are average.
Coach K and Dean Smith, who some people say are great coaches and they are, but they won with the best players something a lot of people can do.
Both Coach K and Dean were almost ran out of town after their first few years at their schools, boosters wanted their heads, students burned and hung dolls of their likeness on campus etc..... Once they got talent they won.
Pure and simple, TALENT wins.
Coach K and Dean Smith, who some people say are great coaches and they are, but they won with the best players something a lot of people can do.
Both Coach K and Dean were almost ran out of town after their first few years at their schools, boosters wanted their heads, students burned and hung dolls of their likeness on campus etc..... Once they got talent they won.
Pure and simple, TALENT wins.
ICbornNraised
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Exactly. Thank you. This is why I'm not ****** off when we lose. I think we are giving maximum effort...that's all I'm looking for right now. I'll get upset when we have the talent, and we lose.
ICbornNraised
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??? Pi$$ed is a bad word Jon? C'MON MAN
GravyJones
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... he would have suffered a massive stroke by now.
Mac50702
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Roy williams would find a way to pull in the talent.
Cyclones17
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There may be a couple more W's on the schedule but that is it. Need players. That's the biggest problem. Coach K is a hell of a coach though and I am sure Iowa would probably have 11 wins right now if he were the coach, but does it really matter at that point?
hawkeye2188
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He would have landed a 4/5* prospect by his name alone, i dont know how much better iowa would be. I'm happy with where Iowa stands. Fran has the fury of a mild Bob Knight, now if he can coach like Knight in after a few years I think the ship will be set right.
GravyJones
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Oh, and we'd have a lot more white guys on the roster.
Jeebus
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That wasn't the question.
Probably not this year, but we would have one of the highest rated recruiting classes in the nation already signed for 2011, not hoping to pick off a few of the remaining gems left in this class.
Coach K was not a household name when he got hired at Duke. But his second recruiting class, which by comparison would be the 2011 class, holds the record for the highest scoring class in NCAA basketball history. That class included Mark Alerie, Johnny Dawkins, and Jay Bilas.
As I have said, over and over, it all comes down to recruiting and successful major conference recruiters recruit well from the moment they are hired. This doesn't mean they win immediately. But they win the recruiting game immediately. This is why the time between now and November will be crucial to Fran. Either he picks up a couple of key contributors in Spring and keeps it going in Fall, or he signs a seriously banner class in Fall.
If he doesn't do either of these, then it will be a precedent setting situation for him to ever experience recruiting success at this level. It doesn't mean he can't do it, but he will be the first in recent history to do so.
Coach K was not a household name when he got hired at Duke. But his second recruiting class, which by comparison would be the 2011 class, holds the record for the highest scoring class in NCAA basketball history. That class included Mark Alerie, Johnny Dawkins, and Jay Bilas.
As I have said, over and over, it all comes down to recruiting and successful major conference recruiters recruit well from the moment they are hired. This doesn't mean they win immediately. But they win the recruiting game immediately. This is why the time between now and November will be crucial to Fran. Either he picks up a couple of key contributors in Spring and keeps it going in Fall, or he signs a seriously banner class in Fall.
If he doesn't do either of these, then it will be a precedent setting situation for him to ever experience recruiting success at this level. It doesn't mean he can't do it, but he will be the first in recent history to do so.
CallMeDragon
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Basically the question is could Coach K get more out of this team than Fran can, and my initial thought is yes he could. That's not a knock on Fran, but you've got to think that one of the best college coaches of all time would be able to have more of a positive impact.
A coach's "talent" is part of the equation too.
A coach's "talent" is part of the equation too.
ICbornNraised
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Missing the point a little here. I'm talking coaching talent, not the talent he can recruit based on his credentials. We were not able to get a guy with anywhere near coach K's credentials...or else we would have.
Also, recruiting to Duke, and recruiting to a yoy bottom of the barrel Big Ten team are completely different. It has got to be a REALLY tough sell for Fran.
Also, recruiting to Duke, and recruiting to a yoy bottom of the barrel Big Ten team are completely different. It has got to be a REALLY tough sell for Fran.
hawkeye12345
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It's a tough question because it really has two answers.
First, if Coach K was hired to be our coach at the same time as Fran then yes I think we would be better simply because more talent would already be on the roster.
Second scenario, if Coach K suddenly became our coach and was required to have the exact same players as we have now then we would NOT be any better than we are today.
Coaches certainly have an impact on the court with the X's and O's and in game adjustments but realistically the battle is won or lost before the season even starts.
First, if Coach K was hired to be our coach at the same time as Fran then yes I think we would be better simply because more talent would already be on the roster.
Second scenario, if Coach K suddenly became our coach and was required to have the exact same players as we have now then we would NOT be any better than we are today.
Coaches certainly have an impact on the court with the X's and O's and in game adjustments but realistically the battle is won or lost before the season even starts.
We are comparing Fran now to when coach K first went to Duke. Duke did not go to the tournament from 1966-1977. They were not a powerhouse when he got there. He made them one.
But, that group was not that highly rated coming in. Dawkins,maybe,but Bilas and Allere were not considered top 100 talents. Coach K was a good evaluator of talent,clearly, so he grabbed some good ones,like Lute did with Sky King and Ronnie,two others off the radar.
Ultimately, it does not matter what folks think of the class coming in,but what they have done when they leave.
Bilas was consensus top 50 and Alerie was the AZ player of the year coming out of a prep school. That class was absolutely highly regarded!
