If Kurt's contract was only through 2016....

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PeoriaHWKI

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would Barta have fired him already?

There is a lot of negativity on this board and I am one of them. I think Kurt has one more year to turn this around on many fronts and not just wins and losses on the field. However, I truly think that anyother program in the country would have let Kurt go given the level of pay he receives and the poor on the field performance and recruiting if the contract didn't have such a long time frame attached to it. My questions is if Iowa was not tied down for so long and let's just say for another 4 years would Barta have the balls to fire him?

I thought about this and I would unfortunately have to say I do not think Barta would do it.
 
Speculation on what our AD might do in a hypothetical situation. This is going to be riviting.
 
My guess would be "no" as a highly doubt that HN is filled out high donation boosters, I am not taking a couple hundred dollars to a $1k or two. I am talking about people who really donate a large amount annually to the school. Those are the people Barta cares about, unless those people turn on KF Barta won't fire him. I don't know maybe they already have so I might be wrong as I am not a large donor nor do I know a ton of them.
 
First, this thread is dumb because KF's contract runs through 2020.

Second, you seem to be implying that Barta gives a rats *** how much negativity there is on this particular message board.
 
dave3912 said:
My guess would be "no" as a highly doubt that HN is filled out high donation boosters, I am not taking a couple hundred dollars to a $1k or two. I am talking about people who really donate a large amount annually to the school. Those are the people Barta cares about, unless those people turn on KF Barta won't fire him. I don't know maybe they already have so I might be wrong as I am not a large donor nor do I know a ton of them.
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I hate to rain on the parade, but Iowa doesn't really have big boosters. Krause or whoever from Kum & Go and the Gerdin's from Heartland Express have made some big donations, but they are peanuts compared to what some other schools are pulling. Northwestern got $55 million from Pat Ryan and two other donors. Iowa's donation base is completely different than a school like NU or say Oklahoma State or Oregon because Iowa is very reliant on the coerced donations as a condition to purchasing football season tickets. There just isn't a giant pool of cash sitting in the pockets of Iowa alums or fans in general so Barta needs to have his finger on the pulse of the folks who are responsible for purchasing the tens of thousands of football tickets that drive a big chunk of our donations. I hope like hell Barta is smart enough to realize this.
 
Section136 said:
First, this thread is dumb because KF's contract runs through 2020.

Second, you seem to be implying that Barta gives a rats *** how much negativity there is on this particular message board.
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No shi$ his contract runs through 2020. I pose the question because the fanbase that wants KF fired think the only reason KF is still here is because of his contract. I disagree so that is why I pose the question. I think the hawkeye fan base is misguided in the direction the University wants the football program to go. I think and believe that even if his contract was shorter, I do not think he would be fired because I do not think based on what the contract states that the University's expectatiosn is not to be national or conference title contendors year in and out even though most people believe it shoudl be given the amount of pay KF recieves.
 
PeoriaHWKI said:
No shi$ his contract runs through 2020. I pose the question because the fanbase that wants KF fired think the only reason KF is still here is because of his contract. I disagree so that is why I pose the question. I think the hawkeye fan base is misguided in the direction the University wants the football program to go. I think and believe that even if his contract was shorter, I do not think he would be fired because I do not think based on what the contract states that the University's expectatiosn is not to be national or conference title contendors year in and out even though most people believe it shoudl be given the amount of pay KF recieves.
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You presume that Iowa fans want him fired? Speak for yourself only. These message boards do not reflect true sentiment of 98% of Iowa fans. First truly down year in 13 and you think Iowa fans are ready to fire KF? No.

As for KOK's assertion that NW donors are fabulous....they have a stadium that is like a High School version...not Texas High School,tho. They have one big benefactor over the last 20 years...Ryan.
Iowa has farmland that is valued at 12k an acre, making most landowners millionaires...we are fine.
 
PeoriaHWKI said:
I think and believe that even if his contract was shorter, I do not think he would be fired because I do not think based on what the contract states that the University's expectatiosn is not to be national or conference title contendors year in and out even though most people believe it shoudl be given the amount of pay KF recieves.
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Then go away for 4 years and wait until 2016 when there is only 4 years left on his contract.

At that time, you wont have a hypothetical situation.
 
JHHawk said:
As for KOK's assertion that NW donors are fabulous....they have a stadium that is like a High School version...not Texas High School,tho. They have one big benefactor over the last 20 years...Ryan.
Iowa has farmland that is valued at 12k an acre, making most landowners millionaires...we are fine.
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Owning a million dollars worth of land does not make you a millionaire. Just the Pat Ryan example OK4P gave us, that guys is a Billionaire who gives it up. Are there any billionaire former UofI graduates? There is that guy who founded Gateway computers, but he left Iowa, sold his company, and as far as I know, never gave the school a dime.
 
GhostofBTT said:
Owning a million dollars worth of land does not make you a millionaire. Just the Pat Ryan example OK4P gave us, that guys is a Billionaire who gives it up. Are there any billionaire former UofI graduates? There is that guy who founded Gateway computers, but he left Iowa, sold his company, and as far as I know, never gave the school a dime.
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Ashton Kutcher.

Also, Tom Arnold.

They arent graduates, but are uber famous.
 
JHHawk said:
As for KOK's assertion that NW donors are fabulous....they have a stadium that is like a High School version...not Texas High School,tho. They have one big benefactor over the last 20 years...Ryan.
Iowa has farmland that is valued at 12k an acre, making most landowners millionaires...we are fine.
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Check out the endowments of Iowa versus Northwestern and get back to me on benefactors. The difference is those benefactors are more concerned with academics than sports and Philips isn't going to blow hundreds of millions of dollars on stadium venues when they can't sell out games. Iowa's facilities were substantially financed by average fans shelling out unconscionable amounts of dough for season tickets. Sad thing is, unless you are one of a limited number of people who got a box or club seats, you're paying a ton of money for essentially the same stadium experience that you had in 2004 (but with a worse quality football product and a higher paid coach).

And if you're counting on farmers to pony up big cash, don't hold your breath too long waiting. Farmers don't have much cash until they have a liquidation event and that usually happens when they die, but the land itself gets passed down. Good luck getting those families to come up off a lot of cash when they are struggling to pay a giant estate tax bill and good luck getting money out of them as charitable donations lose their deductibility. If Philips strings together a few good years and turns NU around in any way, he's got literally dozens of multi multi millionaire CEOs, former CEOs, private equity and hedge fund managers, uber wealthy families and other deep pocketed individuals to call to come up off of some money. Barta's got like 5 such dudes, if that. Which is why Barta needs to plant his lips firmly on the behinds of the tens of thousands of small donors, they are the ones driving the money at Iowa.
 
PeoriaHWKI said:
would Barta have fired him already?

There is a lot of negativity on this board and I am one of them. I think Kurt has one more year to turn this around on many fronts and not just wins and losses on the field. However, I truly think that anyother program in the country would have let Kurt go given the level of pay he receives and the poor on the field performance and recruiting if the contract didn't have such a long time frame attached to it. My questions is if Iowa was not tied down for so long and let's just say for another 4 years would Barta have the balls to fire him?

I thought about this and I would unfortunately have to say I do not think Barta would do it.
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Actually, he should have left at 2016, because Cirk get's us to a BCS bowl every 8 years--or every $30,000,000 in salary--and he's due in 2016.
 
Nope. There is no way Kirk will fire Barta.
Oh wait... That's not what you asked?
 
So the point is that we need a more reactive, impulsive AD?

Maybe the kind of AD that puts up billboards in a rival's town?

Or the kind of AD that is so impulsive that he gives contract extensions after an Orange Bowl?

Or the kind of AD that hires a no name coach from Sienna?
 
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