If CJ would have played most of this game......

[trj]

Great points.

I sit in the 10th row close to the field, so it's really interesting in person to see an entire defense on our near the line of scrimmage with one safety back in coverage.

Teams are daring us to beat them over the top. We just have to do it. Jake does look pretty cautious to me early in games, and there were a few times that Smith appeared to have a couple of steps on his guy with no one covering (safety help) deep. We have to exploit that.

I'd like to see Willies and Smith in the game and burn that 9 in the box format a couple of times early. Especially next week.

It is pretty obvious. Not trying to be a smarta$$$.......I thought they could gradually work in more vertical routes as the season progressed.......I was wrong on that there has to be a little more sense of urgency to push the ball down the field.

 

[goods10]

Explain to me how Wisky runs the ball successfully then. Everyone and their mothers know they are going to run the ball and they can do it with a stacked box. What's the difference?

 

[EMik21]

On the pass to Powell where he couldn't pull it in for 6, it was a great throw, but Bullock was "wide" open in the left flat and had the 1st down and probably 15 more yards to pick up. That is the stuff that CJ has to see and hit if he wants to play. On 2nd down, sure, take a shot deep. On 3rd and 5 you need to move the chains.

 

[trj]

Exactly what I was thinking. I swear when they showed a sideline shot of Bethard later in the game he had the look on his face, "I think I'm going to transfer". Almost like ferentz just gave him one series to appease the media or boosters.

I hope you are wrong on this.......I want to see him stay, he could be really good next year, maybe even this year.

 

[trj]

Explain to me how Wisky runs the ball successfully then. Everyone and their mothers know they are going to run the ball and they can do it with a stacked box. What's the difference?

Their o-lineman are 6'7 and 500 lbs. and they just run over people......Seriously, I dunno, they run more of a power scheme so they are less dependent on cutback lanes.

 

[goods10]

We have the linemen so I guess it's the scheme iowa runs.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Even if the 1 int is a pick 6, we come out ahead with CJ in that scenario.

Did Iowa not come out ahead in the scenario that did play out? You and others are trying to justify benching a qb that has completed almost 70% of his balls. Thrown for 570 yards in two games 4 tds and no picks with two wins.... All because you think you know more then the coaches about how capable a qb you haven't seen practice much at all is. I have a tough time thinking CJ could have lead those last two drives but I don't know. What I do know is the coaches thought Jake could and he did. Jake has done nothing to deserve being benched. Absolutely nothing. And with the past play of JVB and he not being benched I have a tough time thinking this staff is going to make a move anytime soon.

 

[cecilB]

Just so you know, you all are so predictable. People use to call Chuck as a Soph and JR 'chuck save your percentage Long' and cried for Vlasic, they wanted Poholsky over Hartlieb, they wanted little Hartlieb over Rogers. Get the point?

Jake R has played well, beyond well. And, two 2-minute drives at the end in crunch time was an uncommon site for Ia QBs. Think about....Rodgers against Michigan, long had some, little Hartlieb against Wisky, Tate vs LSU...but yes, I'm sure beathard can do everything Jake can do but better.... Just like the backups of other iowa starting QBs.

Such a tired and crazy discussion. Iowa has a very, very healthy QB situation

 

[PCHawk]

Did Iowa not come out ahead in the scenario that did play out? You and others are trying to justify benching a qb that has completed almost 70% of his balls. Thrown for 570 yards in two games 4 tds and no picks with two wins.... All because you think you know more then the coaches about how capable a qb you haven't seen practice much at all is. I have a tough time thinking CJ could have lead those last two drives but I don't know. What I do know is the coaches thought Jake could and he did. Jake has done nothing to deserve being benched. Absolutely nothing. And with the past play of JVB and he not being benched I have a tough time thinking this staff is going to make a move anytime soon.

D1 football doesn't have to be fair. Rudock has done nothing to get benched but if the person behind you is better , you should be benched anyway.

I'm not saying Beathard is for sure better. What I do know is Rudock is playing pretty good and Kirk is still talking about getting Beathard into the game, then he actually pulls the trigger and does it! Knowing Kirk's reluctance to bring in backups that's pretty telling on how good Beathard is, especially when you factor in how good Rudock is playing. Then Beathard comes in and does all the things we have been hearing about.

I just have a feeling that this is a situation where we have a really really good player sitting behind the really good player with experience and in a couple years when Beathard gets his chance we are going to be looking back to now and dreaming about what might have been.

 

[HomerChampless]

I hope you are wrong on this.......I want to see him stay, he could be really good next year, maybe even this year.

What's it going to matter? Ferentz wants Rudock as the starter. He'll play Rudock as much as possible unless there's an injury, Iowa gets way behind (I wouldn't like Beathard's chances for success in that circumstance), or the passing offense shows nothing. Ferentz likes the 'conservative nature' of Rudock's throwing... more than the spectacular passes Beathard can produce.

Just about everyone has said Iowa's offense will carry the team this year.

Beathard got his chance when Iowa went 3 and out with dinky passes on their 1st offensive drive (which makes me wonder if KF has any faith in the running game this year - probably not so far). Rudock kept his job when he threw the ball further down the field and completed.

 

[Billso]

On the pass to Powell where he couldn't pull it in for 6, it was a great throw, but Bullock was "wide" open in the left flat and had the 1st down and probably 15 more yards to pick up. That is the stuff that CJ has to see and hit if he wants to play. On 2nd down, sure, take a shot deep. On 3rd and 5 you need to move the chains.

You may have been the only person on this thread that noticed that. Thank you for reducing the average derp level.

 

[Billso]

Only God knows that answer.

CJ may have thrown a pick or two. JR didn't. CJ may have hit deep open receivers in stride. JR didn't.
JR led to the team to two TD drives. CJ didn't.

JR had a good game (over 300 yds 2 TDs 0 INTs). CJ had a good pass.

The problem in this game wasn't JR.
The defense was very good.
Another Iowa team that came across the screen as emotion-less until the last offensive TD and last couple of defensive stands.

Perfect summary.

 

[PCHawk]

Just so you know, you all are so predictable. People use to call Chuck as a Soph and JR 'chuck save your percentage Long' and cried for Vlasic, they wanted Poholsky over Hartlieb, they wanted little Hartlieb over Rogers. Get the point?

Jake R has played well, beyond well. And, two 2-minute drives at the end in crunch time was an uncommon site for Ia QBs. Think about....Rodgers against Michigan, long had some, little Hartlieb against Wisky, Tate vs LSU...but yes, I'm sure beathard can do everything Jake can do but better.... Just like the backups of other iowa starting QBs.

Such a tired and crazy discussion. Iowa has a very, very healthy QB situation

The thing about this situation is that the backup is really good at the one part of the game that the starter is really bad at. It is so obvious that no one can deny it. For all we know Rudock is better at most other parts of the game but its hard to imagine Beathard being so accurate with the deep ball and not being accurate with the easier throws. Beathard is also a better runner even though Rudock is pretty good too. For Rudock to be better he has to be WAY better at the mental part of the game. That is probably the case but it's hard for a fan to see that part.

 

[HomerChampless]

I'd be more concerned a few Iowa receivers may jump ship. From the telly, it looked like T. Smith was 'aggravated' most of the game.

 

[HomerChampless]

Only God knows that answer.

CJ may have thrown a pick or two. JR didn't. CJ may have hit deep open receivers in stride. JR didn't.
JR led to the team to two TD drives. CJ didn't.

JR had a good game (over 300 yds 2 TDs 0 INTs). CJ had a good pass.

The problem in this game wasn't JR.
The defense was very good.
Another Iowa team that came across the screen as emotion-less until the last offensive TD and last couple of defensive stands.

Do you still wonder why Iowa is never shown in prime time?

 

[HomerChampless]

Oh course, Iowa had to abandon it's running game in the last quarter because they were so behind. Ferentz is firmly behind Rudock.

 

[HomerChampless]

Rudock is going to need to generate more touchdowns. Not necessarily because of Iowa's bad FG kicking, but because of the need for Iowa's offense to score lots of points.

EDIT:The big question is: will the drive always stall on the 10- yard line because of Rudock's lack of arm strength and confidence? Yeah, where is the running game?

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Although I wouldn't mind seeing 3-4 full possessions for CJ, which is really the only way us internet experts can really make an educated opinion not totally based on speculation and a tiny sample size....

That said, Jake has proven quite a few times he deserves the job he has won.

If not for two awful turnovers inside our own 20 and 3 missed field goals from shortish range, I don't think people would be too worried about 350+ passing yards and 65%+ completion.

We do need take more early shots mid and deep OR run out of 4-5 wide to get 8+ defenders out if the box for more running game.

Despite the narrative ongoing, this was a good game day coaching plan and dare I say great clock management at the end.

I'm not sold on this being a 9+ win team yet as we simply have so little room for error currently.

The next two weeks need to show growth in weak areas....we will see.

 

[Billso]

Do you still wonder why Iowa is never shown in prime time?

Never? What I've noticed is that when we're winning, we're shown on prime time. When we're not, we're not.

I realize this may be an extraordinarily complex algorithm to comprehend, so I've typed it up onto a crisp sheet of paper and will gladly send to you for $99.95 (Paypal only, please)

 

[mrolympia]

last year, CJ just threw every ball deep and rifled everything, no touch. This year he's a different QB.
Rudock always takes the safe throw. He doesn't make many mistakes but he also passes up deep opportunities for safe plays. That maybe fine if the running game is actually working. It isn't. If Iowa can't get the running game going against ISU's godawful run defense then the rest of the year will be reminiscent of 2012...........a bunch of check downs and 5 yard passes. With no running game, CJ is a much better fit because he can (and isn't afraid to) throw deep balls. Iowa actually has speed at WR this year, they should take advantage of that fact instead of checking down to bullock 3 yards short on the first down marker on 3rd down.