I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU & UM!

[bws258]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

I'll slam Dodd, too. Much better league if they are in the same division.

In addition, his proposal is the particularly dumbest split I have ever seen.

He is clearly ignorant about the conference, and DB for putting forth a thoughtless idea and claiming it has merit.

 

[hwkwyld]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

I'll slam Dodd, too. Much better league if they are in the same division.

In addition, his proposal is the particularly dumbest split I have ever seen.

He is clearly ignorant about the conference, and DB for putting forth a thoughtless idea and claiming it has merit.

Dodd is an idiot and biased against the Big10. I suspect he threw this BS out there to get a rise out of the fans. Looks to me like it's working.

 

[NewMexHawk]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

I think people (no nothing sportscasters) look at the big 10 and look at a geographical split and think, "Oh what a loaded east division," just because of the names in the west.

In fact, an east/west split would be more than equitable and this year, the west would be a much more difficult division than the east... much more difficult. OSU would be the toughest team in the east and would have a fairly easy time of winning that division this year with both MI and PSU being down, whereas NE, Iowa, Wis, and NW would make the west division very difficult.

Putting Mi/OSU in opposite divisions makes the OSU/MI game a nothing game simply because if the two were to win their divisions, they would play back to back games, which would make their traditional rivalry game meaningless. Moneywise it would make money but the rivalry would be meaningless. It would be a major stupid move on the Big 10s part. A geographical split is the way to go.

Sportswriters that think that NE is going to come into the West and run away with that division, need only look at the history of PSU since joining the conference and how THEY have shared the Big 10 titles with MI and OSU since they have joined. Wisconsin and Iowa and NW will more than hold their own against fearsome NE. I think sportswriters haven't noticed that NE hasn't beaten a ranked team for awhile. Who says that is going to change by joining the big 10 when they may play a schedule like --Iowa, Wisconsin, NW, Illinois, Minnesota, OSU, MSU, PSU, MI? Think they would roll through a schedule like that?

 

[silvanthalas]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

You're still going to take a beating because Dodd is an idiot.

Considering that OSU and Michigan are not going to give up the end of the regular season timing of their game, it would be SUICIDE for the conference to potentially have them play in back to back weekends.

 

[83Hawk]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

OSU and UM have one of the best rivalries in sports and are the 2 premier programs in the conference. Fans don't want the tradition of "The Game" ruined.
Nor would it be. Wanting to protect the rivalry, is of course, quite reasonable. Thinking this would damage it is what is ludicrous.

No, you just do not understand the Big Ten or their football culture.
Having followed the Big Ten in intimate detail for 35 years...I'd say I do understand the culture. The point you're entirely missing is that "the game" is not "messed with"...if anything, its significance is enhanced. So you're asserting a false premise...ie, that "the game" is negatively impacted. You are correct in stating the importance of the game...but nobody has ever asserted otherwise, so you're making a moot point. The game itself remains as important as ever...if not moreso...and there is now an added benefit of an OSU vs UM championship game. You wanna talk about a "the Game"...that would be it.

Well, you weren't following very close. Osu and Michigan potentially playing twice would ruin the rivalry. They need to be in the same division.



The only way this will work in my mind is by swapping Northwestern with Wisconsin.
Agreed.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

And here I thought that Mesa was saying that Iowa would split the Michigan and OSU games this year - a perfectly reasonable scenario.

Instead, Mesa is spewing the same tripe as always in regards to divisional alignment. Find something new, Mesa.

 

[busabus114]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

And here I thought that Mesa was saying that Iowa would split the Michigan and OSU games this year - a perfectly reasonable scenario.

Instead, Mesa is spewing the same tripe as always in regards to divisional alignment. Find something new, Mesa.

+1, Mesa has started several threads on this same topic rehashing the same arguments. I can guarantee when he is wrong he will be nowhere to be found

 

[ChosenChildren]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

Put Michigan and Ohio State in the east and Nebraska and Penn State in the west.

And then fill in from there.

Not that difficult.

 

[IowaBanker]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

Division of Big Ten's super rivals would be addition for all - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

The only thing I'd change from his divisional breakdown is to swap Illinois and Indiana. You just can't have the Big 3 together (PSU, UM, OSU), nor can you jump PSU halfway across the country. This preserves the key rivalries like OSU and UM...and lets OSU and UM have a chance to play each other for the championship. Seems to meet all the needs of the conference schools in terms of balance and preservation of rivalries.

Dodd is a complete tool.

And you most certainly can have UM, PSU, and OSU together, because there is no "big 3" in the Big 10 conference. As Barry Alvarez has said, there are SIX teams that have separated themselves since 1993, and that's the 3 you mentioned, plus Nebby, Wisky, and Iowa. Those 6 teams will be split evenly at 3 and 3, and geography is the most obvious way to do that.

 

[83Hawk]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

Put Michigan and Ohio State in the east and Nebraska and Penn State in the west.

And then fill in from there.

Not that difficult.

Exactly as I have been saying all along. It really isn't that hard to figure out.

 

[bws258]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

Put Michigan and Ohio State in the east and Nebraska and Penn State in the west.

And then fill in from there.

Not that difficult.

almost as bad as what Dodd said

PSU does not want to be in the west. And if you put them in the west you have to move Iowa or Wisconsin to the east (to satisfy the Alvarez rule), and that would make zero sense.

 

[83Hawk]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

Exactly as I have been saying all along. It really isn't that hard to figure out.

Correction.....I would put Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State in the East....Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin in the West.

 

[cuinknk]

Re: I suggested this back in June and took a beating...Dodd calls for splitting OSU &

OSU and UM have one of the best rivalries in sports and are the 2 premier programs in the conference. Fans don't want the tradition of "The Game" ruined.
Nor would it be. Wanting to protect the rivalry, is of course, quite reasonable. Thinking this would damage it is what is ludicrous.

No, you just do not understand the Big Ten or their football culture.
Having followed the Big Ten in intimate detail for 35 years...I'd say I do understand the culture. The point you're entirely missing is that "the game" is not "messed with"...if anything, its significance is enhanced. So you're asserting a false premise...ie, that "the game" is negatively impacted. You are correct in stating the importance of the game...but nobody has ever asserted otherwise, so you're making a moot point. The game itself remains as important as ever...if not moreso...and there is now an added benefit of an OSU vs UM championship game. You wanna talk about a "the Game"...that would be it.



The only way this will work in my mind is by swapping Northwestern with Wisconsin.
Agreed.

The game would be messed with if tOSU and UM are in different divisions. If they move the game to September or October, it's being removed from its natural spot, as the final game of the season. If you leave it as the final game of the regular season, there's a chance that the game carries no relevance on the Big Ten Championship, if one or both already have their division is clinched.

The will not be in separate divisions, and I'm not really sure why you have started numerous threads trying to convince us it will or should happen.