Husker Writer: Delany uses Rose Bowl as crutch

[Billso]

I don't know that all systems are imperfect. I think the NFL system works great. The problem is that people want to equate having 32 teams playing in 2 conference with 4 divisions on a 16 week schedule isn't analogous to bringing a 4 team, 8 team or even 16 team playoff to an NCAA division with 120 teams with 11 conferences, 4 independents playing a 12 game schedule (if that's right, going off memory).

That's a fair point, although parity is much higher in the NFL and even college bball. In a given year, less than 32 college football teams have the slightest prayer of advancing in a playoff.

 

[hawkfan340]

I don't know that all systems are imperfect. I think the NFL system works great. The problem is that people want to equate having 32 teams playing in 2 conference with 4 divisions on a 16 week schedule isn't analogous to bringing a 4 team, 8 team or even 16 team playoff to an NCAA division with 120 teams with 11 conferences, 4 independents playing a 12 game schedule (if that's right, going off memory).

Even in the NFL, it gets murky sometimes. The 18-1 Patriot team being a prime example.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Kind of, the B10 is wrongfully being painted in this article because of its history with the Rose Bowl. I don't think it is fair that this writer has created a false premise based off of the fact that the B10 has always valued history and its tie to the Rose Bowl.

You're going to tell me that there is any team in the B10 since the inception of the BCS that wouldn't have taken a NC over a Rose appearance? That's the most ridiculous notion I've heard.

Yes, we've been lacking in BCS NC game as a conference. No one is disputing that, but it's completely ridiculous to confound a loyal respect of the B10 and the history of the Rose Bowl with some sort of passive satisfaction over being just second best.

Good post. And I question both the integrity AND knowledge of ANY writer who doesn't think the OSU receiver was held/interfered on that play.

It would be interesting to see how interested SEC schools, Pac 12/14/16/18 schools or other "southern" schools would be inh playing AWAY from their own turf. How good would Florida's bowl record be if every second or third one was played in Soldier Field? How much would team speed help Miami or USC if half their players weren't keen on leaving the sideline heaters?

The average "modern" fan doesn't understand that the Rose Bowl was "ultimate" for so long because it meant two things: biggest payout and nice vacation. Undefeated Big 10/Big Ten/B1G teams knew they would play in the Rose Bowl. They also knew, like PSU in 1994, that writers AND coaches had no problem screwing them with a vote at the end of the bowl season. Even Michigan ended up with a "split" after Osborne announced he was retiring (Nebby fans ought to thank their lucky stars for THAT one).

Non-Big 10/Ten/1G teams could ALWAYS depend on the writers to "forgive" a loss. Rarely did it happen with Big 10/Ten/1G teams. OSU only got into the BCS Championship game because a ton of other teams lost "late" (WVa, Missouri, Oregon, et. al.). Never mind that OSU had zero chance, as a one-loss team, before that. Never mind that a TWO-loss team (LSU) DID get in. And, of course, played in the Super Dome.

I'm all for a BCS-plus-one format. Rotate the bowls so that two of them are a "playoff" each year, the other two are 5 vs. 8 and 6 vs. 7, or traditional "tie-ins" or whatever. Take your $15 million, thanks for playing, etc. Let 1 play 4, 2 play 3, and the winners have at it a week or two later.

And yes, if you aren't a BCS bowl, The Capital One, Outback, Gator or Cotton, play on or before December 30. Capital One, Gator, Outback and Cotton rotate between playing 12/31 OR MORNING (i.e., start noon or earlier) on 1/1. Then, BCS bowls start at 2p (Eastern time), continue through evening 1/1. None of the January 7 games in Tokyo featuring MAC teams or Rutgers or UConn as a 3rd/4th-place Big East team. If you had a decent season, you play in a bowl game, great. But don't drag bowl season into conference b-ball season as a "reward".

 

[hogeye]

That's a fair point, although parity is much higher in the NFL and even college bball. In a given year, less than 32 college football teams have the slightest prayer of advancing in a playoff.

Which is why I would be all in favor in further segregating out the non-BCS conference schools from the equation.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

No, a playoff is far and away le best system. You take the best teams and make them play each other. How is it going to get better than that? Have the best teams play a single, random opponent based on which league they play in, and then after the season, let a bunch of people from a dead medium vote on who they think is the best?

Um...you used the "dead medium" people...and omitted the fact that they would have the same influence on a playoff as they currently do on BCS.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but "tradition" is almost the one thing that DOES work in college football. Tweaking the bowl systems/BCS with a plus-one will be just as good as a "playoff".

 

[hogeye]

Even in the NFL, it gets murky sometimes. The 18-1 Patriot team being a prime example.

Sure, I can at least entertain that conversation. Frankly, I have few complaints on the NFL side and fall into the category that believes you have to be able to finish in the post-season, but I don't have a big problem with people that bring up this point.

 

[MoseSchrute]

Ghost, there are two problems with a playoff.

First, it would completely foreclose Iowa's chances to ever win a national title. As things stand now, we would need to win 3 big games (Nebraska, Michigan and presumably OSU, possibly OSU twice) to get to a national title game. Iowa has never won more than two big games in a year (including post season). A playoff would likely require us to win all those games, PLUS multiple post season games. I don't see it happening.

Second, and more importantly, ESPN has 24 hours of time to fill across a LOT of networks and radio stations. If you back out the "who should be in the title game" talk that really heats up when baseball season ends in October, I am at a loss as to how they will fill that air time.

Like Iowa ever had a chance to begin with....

 

[clicheusername3]

I understand as I am on crutches right now.

 

[GhostofBTT]

I understand as I am on crutches right now.

Dude, teh last 5 minutes were teh Picasso of spamming teh front page of this site!

 

[clicheusername3]

Dude, teh last 5 minutes were teh Picasso of spamming teh front page of this site!

Glad someone noticed

 

[RocknRollface]

Ghost, there are two problems with a playoff.

First, it would completely foreclose Iowa's chances to ever win a national title. As things stand now, we would need to win 3 big games (Nebraska, Michigan and presumably OSU, possibly OSU twice) to get to a national title game. Iowa has never won more than two big games in a year (including post season). A playoff would likely require us to win all those games, PLUS multiple post season games. I don't see it happening.

I completely disagree with this premise.

Its a given that Iowa will have to win those games in either scenario.

The difference is having done so, in a playoff system Iowa controls its own fate, in a voting system voters control it, not only at the end but even worse at the beginning of the year with preseason polls.

Iowa will likely never get selected if there are more than 2 undefeateds from BCS conferences unless the other undefeated is an even lesser name from somewhere other than the SEC.

 

[RocknRollface]

The first time you have the lower seeds in a 4-team playoff matched up in a championship game you'll see people crying for more playoff. And in CFB this could happen pretty easily. Then you have the #5 and #6 team, possibly 1 loss teams, with a valid case about being left out because they're likely #5 and #6 based on voting.

I am just more anti-playoff from the perspective that I don't personally need an undisputed NC. I liked it when you had the debates and two teams possibly undefeated at the end of the year. Back when making a bowl game actually meant something more than a .500 record.

That was fine in the old system but the BCS made all the big bowl games meaningless except one.

That more so than anything ruined the bowl system.

 

[RocknRollface]

Which is why I would be all in favor in further segregating out the non-BCS conference schools from the equation.

Agreed on that, they need to be formally placed in their own division because in reality they already are.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

You'll also notice that when it was potentially an Ohio St v. Michigan rematch that wasn't palatable, but when it was Alabama v. LSU rematch that was okay.

Good point.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Not true, the best players stay in the south because they are from the south. Look at any top list of prospects. Only like 10% of the best recruits in the country are from the midwest.

You may also want to review the SECs record of teams on probation the past 20 or so years. FAR outdistances any other conference. At one point in time they had EIGHT members on SOME form of "probation".

Newsflash, pal: That ain't anti-SEC bias by NCAA folks. It's called a culture of cheating and lying.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

It's not teh granddaddy though. To call it a consolation game would be generous. The game has no luster any more. It is just a postlude to teh parade your grandma watches.

You can't move forward while looking back. The Big 10 excels at looking backwards. Here's teh deal. If you want to true championship, you have to have a playoff. If you want a playoff, you cannot demand that the Rose Bowl follows the same format it did during the McKinley administration.

You're a laff riot, so please explain this:

Why is it that the Rose was viewed as a "blockade" to choosing a "champion" for so long, but was coveted, attacked, slandered, etc., had undefeated teams like PSU get 'demoted", teams like Michigan have to suddenly "split", etc.? But, when the Rose was added to the mix, everyone from Notre Dame to Roy Kramer, Mike Slive and Mike Tranghese laud and welcome it?

Three reasons:
1) Money
2) Atmosphere
3) Tradition

Maimi (Orange Bowl)? New Orleans? Tempe? Fun places. But not L.A. by any stretch.

L.A. is where the money and the fun are. The fact that the Rose Bowl has been doing it--successfully--for longer made it the envy of every conference outside the Big 10/Ten and Pac 8/10.

 

[hogeye]

In the SEC you're either on suspension or in between suspensions.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Teh old system has been dead for 15 years and it isn't coming back. You have two choices now, teh BCS or a playoff.

Yearning for 1964 isn't going to suddenly make teh Big 10 relevant.

Do you know ANYthing about "the old system"? Do you even understand that writers used to pick a national champion BEFORE the bowls were played? Do you further understand that "voters" and "pundits" will be responsible for selecting "playoff" teams, just as before?

You can "le" and "teh" this forum to death. It doesn't mask the fact you don't have a clue.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

In the SEC you're either on suspension or in between suspensions.

Exactly. I think Vanderbilt MAY have been the ONLY conference member immune from such fate. Pretty sure that changed, as well.

People don't understand that the culture is different in SEC country. You're dealing with the mindset that Petrino "did nothing wrong" or that Cam Newton was an "innocent" victim.

 

[GhostofBTT]

You're a laff riot, so please explain this:

Why is it that the Rose was viewed as a "blockade" to choosing a "champion" for so long, but was coveted, attacked, slandered, etc., had undefeated teams like PSU get 'demoted", teams like Michigan have to suddenly "split", etc.? But, when the Rose was added to the mix, everyone from Notre Dame to Roy Kramer, Mike Slive and Mike Tranghese laud and welcome it?

Three reasons:
1) Money
2) Atmosphere
3) Tradition

Maimi (Orange Bowl)? New Orleans? Tempe? Fun places. But not L.A. by any stretch.

L.A. is where the money and the fun are. The fact that the Rose Bowl has been doing it--successfully--for longer made it the envy of every conference outside the Big 10/Ten and Pac 8/10.

I gotta be honest brah...I have no idea what any of this means.