Don't think of it as a troubled player replacing an untroubled player. Think of it as a Big10 caliber player replacing a player that does not belong in the Big10.
Hubbard's A Hawk; Dealing With It
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HawkeyeMike23
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Tyreke Evans was the getaway driver in a drive by shooting murder. He worked out pretty well for Memphis.
I am all for giving the guy a second chance, in fact I wouldn't have a problem with Iowa being that school to do so if it wasn't for one little piece of info that seems to keep getting overlooked. Yes it has been mentioned here or there but is something I still think a lot of people have missed.
That would be the assault charge that he had this winter, yes I know the charges have been dropped but that still show he doesn't 100% get it and we can say he at least put himself in a position for that to happen.
Sorry but if I really wanted to change after spending that much time in prison I would be damn careful who I hung around and the positions that I put myself in.
Look I really hope he has changed and wish him nothing but the best, in saying that I also hope that he doesn't put himself in situations that could lead to trouble. Because as all of us know if he does put himself in a bad situation more than likely the IC police will be there not long after.
That would be the assault charge that he had this winter, yes I know the charges have been dropped but that still show he doesn't 100% get it and we can say he at least put himself in a position for that to happen.
Sorry but if I really wanted to change after spending that much time in prison I would be damn careful who I hung around and the positions that I put myself in.
Look I really hope he has changed and wish him nothing but the best, in saying that I also hope that he doesn't put himself in situations that could lead to trouble. Because as all of us know if he does put himself in a bad situation more than likely the IC police will be there not long after.
Dude, it was a cat fight in which he tried to intervene. He wasn't hanging out with thugs.
HawkeyeDenis
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Ya posting at 3;15am isn't a good idea. But my view is a bit slanted since I have two kids at the U, I live in the area and I have dealt with the legal system on numerous occasions.
So now Iowa is going to send the message that if your a good enough athlete you can get a second chance? Every con has a sad story of how they were shafted by life. Too bad! There are a lot of us out here with sad stories who haven't broke the law!
Playing sports at any non-professional level is a privilege and giving a scholarship to a x-con so he can be center stage in front of our kids is too much. Lost me on this one.
And do you really want to quote Hugo? In comparison to the American justice system? I am a liberal but I think you have stepped off the deep end on that one.
HawkeyeDenis
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And were you there? Did they call you as a witness?
What are you talking about? Get over myself? why?
I don't have a problem with Iowa bringing him in I just said that he has put himself in a position to get into trouble again after saying that he has changed, I never said anything other than the what is fact. ie-he put himself in a bad position a few months ago and it could very easily happen again in IC if he isn't careful.
I don't have it out for the guy and do hope that his 2 years here are productive on the court and really hope nothing happens off the court. Because if it does there will be plenty of fans that could turn on Coach as well as the program just like they have in the past. That isn't something I think the program can afford to have happen again.
I trust the coaches I was just pointing out that it isn't like he has been 100% free of police related incidents since being out of jail. Sure it might have been a misunderstanding but again, he shouldn't be anywhere near a situation that could find himself on the wrong side of the law.
That's all I was saying.
I guess my point, what exactly do us fans have to come to grips with. He's going to be on the team. Thats all you need to know or worry about. Spending time on anything else is a waste of time other than to talk about something between now and Sept 1.
tm3308
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I take it that you were, then?
That's what it sounded like if you read the stories. He wasn't in some gang fight.
The guy has had 4 years since being out of prison, and that's been the only "blemish" in that time. I'd say he's not the kind of ex-con that you imagine. He's not the guy that's been out for two weeks. He's been out for FOUR YEARS. I'm going to trust Fran's judgement on this one.
I am not quoting Hugo in comparison to the American Justice System. The American justice system is one based on the concept of rehabilitation. The reason I was using Hugo is that the system that Hugo was condemning is one where an individual does not have the opportunity to cast off the sins of his past, but is marked for life as a convict or deviant.
But if the text is a bit long, here is the wiki version of what I mean.
As a parolee, Valjean is branded an outcast and his passport (his identification card) is yellow colored - identifying him to all as a former offender much like Hester Prynne in The Scarlet Letter. Valjean would be judged by social standards as evil - a known criminal and a parolee - yet grows morally to represent the best traits of humanity. Valjean becomes a repentant, honorable, dignified man after his encounter with the Bishop Myriel of Digne; he is kind to all he encounters, a devoted father, and a benefactor to those in need. Valjean occupies a place on the wrong side of the law, but the right side of human virtues and ethics.
His antithesis, Javert, should occupy a place of honor in society - he is a dedicated police officer who devoted his life to taking crime off the streets. However, the reader comes to realize that Javert represents a modern day Pharisee. Much like Jesus and the Pharisees of the New Testament, the relationship of Valjean and Javert is a binary opposition between law and love. Javert is cruel and manipulative to all he encounters and lives in a world of black and white. He pursues Valjean with the same white-hot vengeance as Captain Ahab, and is defined by his hatred and disdain for his fellow man. His interactions with other characters throughout the novel are characterized by an abuse of his authority, whether forcing other members of law enforcement into obedience or striking fear into the peasantry in order to extract intelligence. Javert occupies a place on the right side of the law, but the wrong side of humanity.
rodg12
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My bad. I rescind my comment and apologize. Sorry about that. I shouldn't have singled you out with the other two.
jacknicholson
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Quite right, Carr.
Blessed are the peace-makers: for they shall be called children of God.
One thing I have noticed is that many young ladies have a lot of attitude these days, hostile almost. The fools on Jerry Springer and the Court TV shows represent a small but sizable portion of the general population.
