Howe: Prevailing Thoughts on Eve of Hawkeyes Opening Camp

[#1DieHardHawk]

Chris Doyle deserves every penny of what they are paying him. Yes, he deserves more than his counterparts at Bama and Clemson and ND.

He is the only contact on the staff these kids have between January 1 and the start of fall camp (except for the very short Spring training camp in March).

Iowa is a developmental program. Universally recognized in the business as one of, if not thee best at developing these boys from 2 and 3 star prospects into Championship caliber players who are ready for the pros. The above-named schools have much more highly rated kids coming in that are “plug and play” ready as freshmen. Certainly more so than Iowa. That is where he earns his money.

Also, I believe it was a few years ago when KF made the decision that the strength and conditioning coach is as important to this program as the OC and DC. Given this fact, they should all be paid the same. So, Doyle’s larger salary compared to these blue blood programs reflects the elevation of S&C Coach to the coordinator level. KF was And is the pioneer of that thinking. Will other programs eventually follow suit or will Iowa be alone in this thinking? Time will tell.

But if you ask any of the current players or coaches, or any past players and past coaches of this program, they will identify Chris Doyle as the reason for the success and culture of the program more than ANYONE else on the staff except for Ferentz himself. ( who earns 5 times as much)

To add to this.

Doyle also has become a magnet for recruiting. His presence alone probably accounts for several visits and later commitments.

Also, programs like Iowa have to expect to pay more on the coaching level simply due to demographics. It's much, much easier to recruit coaches to the SE, Colorado and California. Unless you're and established blue-blood like OSU, ND and Michigan, midwestern and northern programs have to up their games in terms of salaries and perks to remain competitive. That's the reality, and not just for football. The same applies to business.

 

[seepig]

Chris Doyle deserves every penny of what they are paying him. Yes, he deserves more than his counterparts at Bama and Clemson and ND.

He is the only contact on the staff these kids have between January 1 and the start of fall camp (except for the very short Spring training camp in March).

Iowa is a developmental program. Universally recognized in the business as one of, if not thee best at developing these boys from 2 and 3 star prospects into Championship caliber players who are ready for the pros. The above-named schools have much more highly rated kids coming in that are “plug and play” ready as freshmen. Certainly more so than Iowa. That is where he earns his money.

Also, I believe it was a few years ago when KF made the decision that the strength and conditioning coach is as important to this program as the OC and DC. Given this fact, they should all be paid the same. So, Doyle’s larger salary compared to these blue blood programs reflects the elevation of S&C Coach to the coordinator level. KF was And is the pioneer of that thinking. Will other programs eventually follow suit or will Iowa be alone in this thinking? Time will tell.

But if you ask any of the current players or coaches, or any past players and past coaches of this program, they will identify Chris Doyle as the reason for the success and culture of the program more than ANYONE else on the staff except for Ferentz himself. ( who earns 5 times as much)

I don't disagree with your points at all but your argument has flaws. The kids have nothing else to compare to so your comment regarding that can't be proven. I have NO doubt in Chris ability OR that what he does is worth a great amount of money. I don't even have an issue with it being elevated to coordinator level status. There's a guy named Ciciano that produces a book called Pick Six Picks or something like that and Iowa (as you call it a player development program) wasn't even a TOP 5 UTAH was #1. And Ciciano was the only guy I've ever seen to quantify this. So again what's your data <nada>. Even guys who live and breathe this stuff on ESPNU were chiding the Iowa Fan Base for being lumps just being happy to be 7-5 or 8-4. As far as Kirk being an original thinker that's great! Have you looked at our offensive output over 20 years? I haven't even looked but Norm Parker and Phil Parker have likely been the best money spent by KF and YES I think Doyle is awesome to have on the staff. Hell I would absolutely take that much money if someone offered it for my services I don't begrudge Chris at all. But just like Kirk's contract is overly fattened based on actual results. We are just probably going to agree to disagree on this one. Let me be clear Chris Doyle is ABSOLUTELY ONE of the best S&C dudes probably in ALL of football.

 

[seepig]

To add to this.

Doyle also has become a magnet for recruiting. His presence alone probably accounts for several visits and later commitments.

Also, programs like Iowa have to expect to pay more on the coaching level simply due to demographics. It's much, much easier to recruit coaches to the SE, Colorado and California. Unless you're and established blue-blood like OSU, ND and Michigan, midwestern and northern programs have to up their games in terms of salaries and perks to remain competitive. That's the reality, and not just for football. The same applies to business.

If he has recruiting swag you are correct. You may have more knowledge on this point than I do. So yes if he brings more to the table it warrants more $$$. That is how business should work....business also works by NOT overpaying labor. My main gripe is the nepotism with Brian but I'm sure I'm wrong on this one too.

 

[seepig]

Nate Stanley, D-Line depth among items circling my brain:

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Yep you pretty much nailed the whole thing there Rob.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

If there was only some transparency with the NCAA ....

It's not all a matter of transparency though. Part of the complexity of the process is the NCAA is not a monolithic top down organization where all decisions are handed down from the on high. Most of what the NCAA does goes directly through the conference offices. Because of this, the culture of the various conferences has a lot to do with how rules get interpreted and implemented within the various conferences. I don't think the conferences want the NCAA to ever be a strictly top down authority.

 

[4thngoal]

All I know is, I know Doyle has help, but no other person but kf is responsible for the entire roster,

 

[tksirius]

So, you're telling me that Brian Ferentz got a bigger pay raise than Phil Parker?

 

[CP87]

So, you're telling me that Brian Ferentz got a bigger pay raise than Phil Parker?

Yes.

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...il-parker-brian-ferentz-usa-today/1888773001/

 

[MoseSchrute]

^ I wonder how all the different percentages are decided. If the contract triggered a ten percent increase, why did some of them get less than ten?

 

[ModebaSan]

If Iowa continues to have success, I can see Doyle being the first S&C coach to earn a cool mil down the road. It’s gonna happen. But if I were the AD and was handing out bonuses for performance, I would also be adding into the contract, if you don’t meet a minimum requirement, you could also drop back down to your previous pay. Under performance drops in pay would continue to drop until you bounce back enough to warrant another increase.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

If Iowa continues to have success, I can see Doyle being the first S&C coach to earn a cool mil down the road. It’s gonna happen. But if I were the AD and was handing out bonuses for performance, I would also be adding into the contract, if you don’t meet a minimum requirement, you could also drop back down to your previous pay. Under performance drops in pay would continue to drop until you bounce back enough to warrant another increase.

This is how you get a really jaded staff, and would probably result in more losses than wins.

 

[tksirius]

This is how you get a really jaded staff, and would probably result in more losses than wins.

Don't worry, junior. Daddy will make sure you get the job when he steps down, no matter how much the offense sucks.

 

[seepig]

Don't worry, junior. Daddy will make sure you get the job when he steps down, no matter how much the offense sucks.

EXACTLY!! The whole thing just smells like Nepotism. Hey Gary GOT LAWSUIT?! Barta needs to be broomed.

 

[seepig]

If Iowa continues to have success, I can see Doyle being the first S&C coach to earn a cool mil down the road. It’s gonna happen. But if I were the AD and was handing out bonuses for performance, I would also be adding into the contract, if you don’t meet a minimum requirement, you could also drop back down to your previous pay. Under performance drops in pay would continue to drop until you bounce back enough to warrant another increase.

LOL soooo again (after I got beat to hell yesterday) how do we determine a S&C coach's incremental value? I don't think you can actually. Would Chris Doyle has the same level of "success" at Iowa State, UCONN, Toledo? There's absolutely NO way to answer that question. Which again leads me to my earlier question why is he the highest paid S&C coach like ever! Think about Boyd Eppley's success at Nebraska for all those years. I don't have any disdain for Chris getting paid I just don't know how you justify what I believe to be #1 on the pay scale. One could argue that Iowa has underperformed in many years.

And there's absolutely NO WAY you can tell me Brian deserves the biggest % pay raise increase. Data would actually argue AGAINST that.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

If he has recruiting swag you are correct. You may have more knowledge on this point than I do. So yes if he brings more to the table it warrants more $$$. That is how business should work....business also works by NOT overpaying labor. My main gripe is the nepotism with Brian but I'm sure I'm wrong on this one too.

Norm Parker played a bigger role than defensive coordinator... was a mentor and Father figure to many Hawks under KFz. I think Doyle plays a somewhat similar role. He's more than just a strength and conditioning coach...I think he provides a lot of guidance to young players as they develop and grow.

 

[seepig]

Norm Parker played a bigger role than defensive coordinator... was a mentor and Father figure to many Hawks under KFz. I think Doyle plays a somewhat similar role. He's more than just a strength and conditioning coach...I think he provides a lot of guidance to young players as they develop and grow.

You'll get no argument from me on that point and the recruiting draw ok. Again versus his contemporaries is that much better? about the same? Norm was worth every penny and he had numbers to go along with the intangibles to back it up. Again this may be completely accurate regarding the intangibles and his paycheck would say he must be THEE BEST in the country because that's what he's getting paid. Nobody has answered my question regarding Brian..I guess everyone must agree with me.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

You'll get no argument from me on that point and the recruiting draw ok. Again versus his contemporaries is that much better? about the same? Norm was worth every penny and he had numbers to go along with the intangibles to back it up. Again this may be completely accurate regarding the intangibles and his paycheck would say he must be THEE BEST in the country because that's what he's getting paid. Nobody has answered my question regarding Brian..I guess everyone must agree with me.

Doyle may not be "the" best in the country, but his value to a development program like Iowa's is huge. All S&C guys are important, but I'd suggest his role is more critical to Iowa than it might be other places. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he's had overtures from other places seeking his services.

 

[seepig]

Doyle may not be "the" best in the country, but his value to a development program like Iowa's is huge. All S&C guys are important, but I'd suggest his role is more critical to Iowa than it might be other places. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he's had overtures from other places seeking his services.

Can absolutely agree with everything you state here. Again I'm not close enough to it. I actually call on S&C coaches in my current job so I understand the position's value probably better than most. Folks on here may be closer to the program and better understand his value to the Iowa program specifically. At the end of the day I just wanna win football games.

 

[BigD]

One more day for players to get arrested for something stupid at the local bar. It's been a rather uneventful off season. No arrests for multiple drunken linemen on a motor scooter or letting themselves into the back of a squad car.

LMAO!!!!!! Reminds me of the old “Andy Griffith Show” when the town drunk, Amos, would stagger in to the jail grab the cell door keys, unlock the door, put himself in jail, and then lock the door behind himself.

 

[BILLYBOBSTEXAS]

LMAO!!!!!! Reminds me of the old “Andy Griffith Show” when the town drunk, Amos, would stagger in to the jail grab the cell door keys, unlock the door, put himself in jail, and then lock the door behind himself.

OTIS CAMBELL was his name! Funny stuff!