Howe: Give Me LeShun Daniels Ahead of Joe Mixon All Day
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HawkeyeWalker
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Agreed. Good stuff Rob.
NikeHawk21
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I'll give you the character argument.
But in terms of talent, these two are not even close. There is a lot more to being a RB than just measurables.
Daniels never impressed me much as a runner. He runs too high, doesn't have very good vision, and he really doesn't break many tackles for his size IMO. But then again that's just my opinion as this article is yours.
I'd say leave it to the scouts who are paid to do this kind of thing. If it wasn't for one incident you'd be saying you'd prefer a undrafted RB to an 1st round guy. Seems like you might be a little to close to this one.
But in terms of talent, these two are not even close. There is a lot more to being a RB than just measurables.
Daniels never impressed me much as a runner. He runs too high, doesn't have very good vision, and he really doesn't break many tackles for his size IMO. But then again that's just my opinion as this article is yours.
I'd say leave it to the scouts who are paid to do this kind of thing. If it wasn't for one incident you'd be saying you'd prefer a undrafted RB to an 1st round guy. Seems like you might be a little to close to this one.
Hear hear to that Rob…. With RBs there’s no guarantees. We all know that for a multitude of reasons. So why on earth would you risk taking Mixon with a draft pick? I’d much much much rather draft Daniels in the 5th rd or lower than take a gamble on Mixon. There’s no guarantee that Mixon would end up being better than Daniels strait up. So between the initial blow back and constantly having to keep the police scanner to your ear every weekend as a GM coach or owner it’s a no brainer to me. I hope that these teams do their homework on Daniels and whomever is representing him really works to get his name out there. He deserves to hear his name called.
deanvogs
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What?
If that is the case, why aren't NFL teams clamoring to take him number one. If all the matter is exposure, the exposure of taking him early should really pay off for an NFL team, right?
To be fair, thetrza almost gets me sometimes too. Dude is a master at it.
SteveGarvey1
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No team will take Mixon in the first round because it would be bad PR. Analysts on many teams will determine which round it would be plausible to to take him as a "everyone deserves a second chance" guy without making them look too insensitive to domestic violence groups. Take him too early, and you like like you don't care about domestic violence. Take him fourth round or later and your a team that's willing to give a guy a second chance.
Are you saying the Big 12 is known for its strong defense?
RobHowe
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So, we should just dismiss an incident where a world class athlete punches a woman in the face, caving it in? Maybe I would be saying take Mixon if he was a choir boy but he's not. That's the point you missed completely.
As I wrote, hopefully the guy has turned things around. Also as I wrote, the NFL will keep giving chances to unsavory characters in the name of winning games. And the fans will cheer them on.
I also disagree with your scouting report on Daniels. He breaks plenty of tackles, his vision is good and has shown good speed on the second level. He had two really long TD runs called back this year. He's not flashy but he's not a slug either. Mixon is overrated as a running back, IMO.
Lastly, I don't think the NFL scouts are going to be making a decision based on my column. So, I don't need to leave it to them. It's my opinion.
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hawkeyebob62
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Wow, that video really showed off his bad vision, inability to break tackles and lack of speed. Oh, wait...
NikeHawk21
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Woah. What are you so upset about?
I literally said in my post it's just my opinion as the article is yours.
I don't really know where you got that I said we should completely dismiss his incident from my post. The scouts (experts) are saying Mixon is a 1st round talent (who will likely go much later) and Daniels is an undrafted talent.
I have no problem with his draft value dropping, however in your article and in your response you've made comments appearing to compare the two in talent. You've said LD is 5'11 225, tested very strongly, has good vision, breaks tackles, and has good speed on the second level. If that is all true than what are the scouts missing? Cleary that either doesn't add up or the scouts are completely wrong.
The talent argument is what I disagree with, but again that is just my opinion.
hawkeyebob62
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One, they haven't seen enough of him. Two, they haven't seen enough of him because he's had injury issues for several seasons during his career. It was only this past season where he didn't miss games due to injury.
RobHowe
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When you come at me with snark telling me to leave it to the pro scouts and saying I'm too close to the situation, expect blowback. You don't get respect when you can't show it.
I have no problem if someone disagrees with my opinion. I don't appreciate the snark and it probably comes from you thinking your opinion is correct. That's usually when people act that way.
There are have been plenty of RBs who were thought to be first-round talents who have flopped badly while others who flown under the radar coming into the draft that have excelled. If you follow it that closely, I'm sure you're aware of that.
As I wrote, total package, player and person, I'd riding with LD. You can have Mixon.
Can you honestly watch those several touches on his highlight tape and dispute that he can't break many tackles or that he's slow? To me it's just scouts are lazy. They are more apt to talk about highly recruited players that play for high profile schools and have played on a larger stage throughout their careers. To me his pro day numbers just validate what he did on the field. He's not slow. He's a strong powerful back that can make cuts on the run and run to daylight. He didn't have a boat load of carries due to he and Wadley splitting them pretty much. Still 200 carries is a great sample size. He avged like 5 yrds a pop didn't he? Not bad for the short yardage/goal line guy...
Look it wouldn't be the first time a RB would be over looked either. There might very well be a GM or 2 that already have him penciled in as their sleeper pick in the 5th or 6th rd. I know he's not a great pass protector or pass catcher but most NFL teams are already using a RB by committee approach. I highly doubt regardless of where Mixon ends up that he'll be looked at as their Zeke Elliott. You can't want that kid as the face of your running game day 1.. Not when you have options...
