How or Why is Ohio St still ranked in Top 25??

BryceC said:
Okie state is 6-7 vs the rpi top 50 which goes a long way. Ohio state is 1-6.
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I think there are some inflated teams in the B12 that are giving the conference a better RPI than they deserve. I personally think Purdue, Indiana and Illinois are better than OSU and Texas, even though they are both top 50 teams and the B10 ones are not. Maybe it's the top 20 upset-prone B12 teams inflating their numbers or the 4 100+ RPI teams in the B10 dragging down their numbers. Probably a combo of both.

Of course it will hurt the B10 come selection Sunday when those 3 teams are all out of the RPI top 50 for the very reason you pointed out. It looks much better to have those top 50 wins.
 
BryceC said:
Okie state is 6-7 vs the rpi top 50 which goes a long way. Ohio state is 1-6.
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And this is why my question doesn't have anything to do with rankings. I'm wondering how it is that they're "In" and not on the bubble.

At the end of the day...Seeing Iowa in the "Lock" column is all that matters to me!
 
AdamHawk said:
I think there are some inflated teams in the B12 that are giving the conference a better RPI than they deserve. I personally think Purdue, Indiana and Illinois are better than OSU and Texas, even though they are both top 50 teams and the B10 ones are not. Maybe it's the top 20 upset-prone B12 teams inflating their numbers or the 4 100+ RPI teams in the B10 dragging down their numbers. Probably a combo of both.

Of course it will hurt the B10 come selection Sunday when those 3 teams are all out of the RPI top 50 for the very reason you pointed out. It looks much better to have those top 50 wins.
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I think Iowa State and Oklahoma are better than Kansas by a small margin.

All the other B12 teams are fair to middlin'
 
AdamHawk said:
I think there are some inflated teams in the B12 that are giving the conference a better RPI than they deserve. I personally think Purdue, Indiana and Illinois are better than OSU and Texas, even though they are both top 50 teams and the B10 ones are not. Maybe it's the top 20 upset-prone B12 teams inflating their numbers or the 4 100+ RPI teams in the B10 dragging down their numbers. Probably a combo of both.

Of course it will hurt the B10 come selection Sunday when those 3 teams are all out of the RPI top 50 for the very reason you pointed out. It looks much better to have those top 50 wins.
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I would agree with everything here, but the reason why OSU lite and Texas are still rated so high is that they have all those top 50 games and they don't have bad losses like some teams such as Purdue, msu, mich, etc did in the noncon.

Some big 12 teams are IMO overrated, but they earned it by winning games, doesn't make much sense I know.
 
BryceC said:
Okie state is 6-7 vs the rpi top 50 which goes a long way. Ohio state is 1-6.
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The RPI is crap and should be scrapped. Playing a team and losing by 32 points SHOULD NOT IMPROVE YOUR RPI (Kansas playing Kentucky) There are examples far too numerous to post on here of RPI absurdity.

OSU has a few good wins, "in conference".
They are 18-12 and 8-10. One of their wins is over a team that doesn't even have their schedule posted on ESPN so they are actually 17-12 against d-1 competition. Their best non- league win was against Tulsa. They lost at home to South Carolina by 26 points. They needed overtime to be Missouri on a neutral court. Missouri is 3-15 in the SEC. No fricking way should OSU be in the tourney at 17-12.

The Big 12 RPIs are bloated as hell. (very similar to their football season)
 
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They will need to really shoot well to win in the dance, no fluidity in their offense because Russell can create but nobody can finish, sort of reminds me of Iowa in the two previous years when we didnt shoot well.
 
BryceC said:
I would agree with everything here, but the reason why OSU lite and Texas are still rated so high is that they have all those top 50 games and they don't have bad losses like some teams such as Purdue, msu, mich, etc did in the noncon.

Some big 12 teams are IMO overrated, but they earned it by winning games, doesn't make much sense I know.
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That's true but so does Illinois and Indiana. Plus they both have a better conference record than OSU and less 100+ RPI losses.
 
imported_blubberhawk said:
The RPI is crap and should be scrapped. Playing a team and losing by 32 points SHOULD NOT IMPROVE YOUR RPI (Kansas playing Kentucky) There are examples far too numerous to post on here of RPI absurdity.

OSU has a few good wins, "in conference".
They are 18-12 and 8-10. One of their wins is over a team that doesn't even have their schedule posted on ESPN so they are actually 17-12 against d-1 competition. Their best non- league win was against Tulsa. They lost at home to South Carolina by 26 points. They needed overtime to be Missouri on a neutral court. Missouri is 3-15 in the SEC. No fricking way should OSU be in the tourney at 17-12.

The Big 12 RPIs are bloated as hell. (very similar to their football season)
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If you think the big 12 is bloated in RPI and think rpi sucks because of it, you must really hate kenpom and Sagarin, because the lowest rated "good" team in any of the top 7 big 12 teams is OSU at #30 and #31. The other 6 big 12 teams are in the top 25 of both of those ratings.

Throwing out the RPI would be a tremendous boon to the Big 12 this season.
 
BryceC said:
If you think the big 12 is bloated in RPI and think rpi sucks because of it, you must really hate kenpom and Sagarin, because the lowest rated "good" team in any of the top 7 big 12 teams is OSU at #30 and #31. The other 6 big 12 teams are in the top 25 of both of those ratings.

Throwing out the RPI would be a tremendous boon to the Big 12 this season.
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Honestly, I think the big 12 is overrated. I don't see much difference between the upper teams in the big 12 and the middle teams in the B1G. I'm not saying the B1G is better, but the teams that have gotten better **** the bed in the OOC and has really skewed a lot of the metrics. The best team that the big 12 beat might be Iowa and they were more inconsistent that ISU is now.
 
Mademyaccount4u said:
Honestly, I think the big 12 is overrated. I don't see much difference between the upper teams in the big 12 and the middle teams in the B1G. I'm not saying the B1G is better, but the teams that have gotten better **** the bed in the OOC and has really skewed a lot of the metrics. The best team that the big 12 beat might be Iowa and they were more inconsistent that ISU is now.
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Might be a little overrated because I agree they don't have those anchor bad losses. However iowa isn't even the best team ISU beat in the noncon.
 
BryceC said:
Might be a little overrated because I agree they don't have those anchor bad losses. However iowa isn't even the best team ISU beat in the noncon.
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LOL, Arkansas didn't play anyone. They had a overall SOS of #65 (conference #95) vs Iowa overall #27 (conference #32). Plus you beat Arkansas at home, the Iowa win, even by RPI's crappy standards is 10x greater as it was on the road.

KenPom and Sagarin both have Iowa in front of Arkansas (12 spots in Kenpom, and 4 spots in Sagarin). But even if you go by RPI standards winning at Iowa was easily ISU best non con win.
 
BryceC said:
Might be a little overrated because I agree they don't have those anchor bad losses. However iowa isn't even the best team ISU beat in the noncon.
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Bryce, I'll give you a chance to take this back. You're a better poster than this.

The win @Iowa is far and away ISU's best non-conf win. It's really not even close.
 
Hmmm... Massey's Rating Matrix has Ark at 24 and Iowa at 26. A metaphorical rankings hair different than each other.

That Ark was the best team ISU beat is arguable. That @Iowa was best win would have stronger consensus. These are not mutually exclusive statements.
 
hawkfan340 said:
Hmmm... Massey's Rating Matrix has Ark at 24 and Iowa at 26. A metaphorical rankings hair different than each other.

That Ark was the best team ISU beat is arguable. That @Iowa was best win would have stronger consensus. These are not mutually exclusive statements.
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I understand that... and it doesn't matter.
 
BryceC said:
If you think the big 12 is bloated in RPI and think rpi sucks because of it, you must really hate kenpom and Sagarin, because the lowest rated "good" team in any of the top 7 big 12 teams is OSU at #30 and #31. The other 6 big 12 teams are in the top 25 of both of those ratings.


I prefer to throw out the computer crap and simply look at the teams you play. Take a couple minutes and look at the teams Oklahoma State beat this year and who they lost to. I tire of hearing about the "top 50" wins, etc. Take a look at the top 50. That list includes Wofford, Buffalo, Stephen F. Austin, Tulsa, Old Dominion, & Boise State. La. Tech and Iona are hovering at 51 and 52. It is a joke. Buffalo's RPI is 32!! Look at their schedule. They have zero good wins. The reason their RPI is so high? They played Kentucky and Wisconsin. Lost to both but have a bloated rpi because they played them.

Please find me an impressive win from Okie State in their non-league schedule. I am sorry. You simply can't unless you call beating some bubble team an impressive victory. They do have some good wins in their league. They have some bad losses in their league, also that should offset their good wins. Enough so that they are 8-10 and probably going to be 8-11 against Big 12 teams this year.

FWIW, I do not think Indiana or Illinois should be in either. Iowa has been left out having much better years than those teams have this year.

If Okie State loses to Oklahoma in the Big 12 tourney, their record will be 17-13 and 8-11 in the Big 12. No way is that NCAA worthy.
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