How Expectations Have Changed

lightning1 said:
Maybe you can explain to us what "media pundits, B1G Media Days, etc" have to do with OUR expectations? Incredible is right. :rolleyes:
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So...you're saying...you "knew" all along we had more talent than anyone in the B1G West and were the odds-on favorite. I think I missed that prediction.
 


1977Hawkeye said:
I couldn't care less about pre-season predictions.

Nobody predicted the 2002 team to go 8-0 and go to the Orange Bowl either, but it happened.
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So...you were expecting B1G West title? 12-0? Or, maybe 11-1?

Aside from ClintonIaFan aka "Hawknick", NOBODY on these boards was picking us to win the B1G West, let alone the B1G CG. Well, they weren't doing it BEFORE the season, anyway.
 




lightning1 said:
Re-read my question and answer it, please.
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Read my post. What were "OUR" expectations? I can pretty much guess "YOUR" expectations, and we probably exceeded them. I'm sure you were predicting 6-6, maybe 4-8, and ranking on KF. And of course, "Gutless Gary".
 


hawkeyebob62 said:
Read my post. What were "OUR" expectations? I can pretty much guess "YOUR" expectations, and we probably exceeded them. I'm sure you were predicting 6-6, maybe 4-8, and ranking on KF. And of course, "Gutless Gary".
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That's not an answer to the question, Bob. Back on ignore you go.
 


Hawk90 said:
I was looking back at their schedule in 1979-81.......amazing: Oklahoma, Nebraska (back when they were good) UCLA, Arizona, Iowa State. No Rutgers, no UNI, Northern Illinois. I'll be happy with 8-4 most years if they actually played someone relevant in the non-conference.
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That's because when the games were scheduled (usually years in advance) WE were the Rutgers or the UNI for those other teams. What happened when our program got competitive and we began winning those games? How long before the home-and-home contracts with those other teams left?
 


Knight78 said:
That's because when the games were scheduled (usually years in advance) WE were the Rutgers or the UNI for those other teams. What happened when our program got competitive and we began winning those games? How long before the home-and-home contracts with those other teams left?
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Yep. Right around 1985, those types of games left the OOC schedule. Not sure what the real reason was but that certainly could have something to do with it.
 




lightning1 said:
Yep. Right around 1985, those types of games left the OOC schedule. Not sure what the real reason was but that certainly could have something to do with it.
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Hayden openly admitted he didn't want a "loaded" OOC, and nobody should blame him. In 1980, we went into "full" conference season (for a few years, first game was a conference game, as it was that year) down numerous players at multiple positions. But then, suddenly, teams were also cancelling out on us, Miami being the most glaring example. After we went there in 1990, they actually tried to back out of the 1992 game. Then, of course, Missouri in the 2000s.
 


Knight78 said:
That's because when the games were scheduled (usually years in advance) WE were the Rutgers or the UNI for those other teams. What happened when our program got competitive and we began winning those games? How long before the home-and-home contracts with those other teams left?
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Maybe, but in 1960 the year after we won a national championship the two out of conference games were Oregon St and Notre Dame. 61: California and USC. 62: Oregon St, USC and Notre Dame. No directional colleges on the schedule until Hayden showed up. I stand by my statement I would be fine with 8-4 every year, if our out of conference schedule didn't stink.
 




hawkeyebob62 said:
Hayden openly admitted he didn't want a "loaded" OOC, and nobody should blame him. In 1980, we went into "full" conference season (for a few years, first game was a conference game, as it was that year) down numerous players at multiple positions. But then, suddenly, teams were also cancelling out on us, Miami being the most glaring example. After we went there in 1990, they actually tried to back out of the 1992 game. Then, of course, Missouri in the 2000s.
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Didn't Hurricane Andrew have something with them trying to back out of the 1992 game?

Whether it did or not I recall huge salvation army kettle type bins outside Kinnick where people could donate anything and everything to help with the Andrew recovery efforts.
 


Northside Hawk said:
Didn't Hurricane Andrew have something with them trying to back out of the 1992 game?

Whether it did or not I recall huge salvation army kettle type bins outside Kinnick where people could donate anything and everything to help with the Andrew recovery efforts.
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Andrew was probably a clincher in getting them to come to Kinnick, although by that time, it was WAY too late for them to back out in a way that would have looked anything but "suspicious". And of course, though we were slated to have a decent team that year, we had already lost a kickoff classic game to NC State in The Meadowlands, and ended up 5-7 after a 1-4 start.

That was actually a rough non-con schedule, with Colorado, Miami, NC State and of course, ISU.
 


lightning1 said:
Expectations change with prices. At least in this society. Charge me 1981 season ticket prices and It would bother me a hell of a lot less. The 2018 version of Iowa football under KF, doesn't look any different than the 2001 version of Iowa football under KF. But the prices have tripled. And the current AD is a lying POS. That doesn't help.
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In today's money, $1.00 in 1981 was worth about $2.86 in 2018, so that makes sense.

Honestly though, are prices that much different than almost 40 years ago, after adjusting for inflation?

If they are triple than they are almost identical.

Anyone old enough to remember ticket prices in 1981? I was a few weeks old
 
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Ree4 said:
In today's money, $1.00 in 1981 was worth about $2.86 in 2018, so that makes sense.

Honestly though, are prices that much different than almost 40 years ago, after adjusting for inflation?

If they are triple than they are almost identical.

Anyone old enough to remember ticket prices in 1981? I was a few weeks old
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$15 per with no minimum "donation". So, I guess it's way more than triple.
 


lightning1 said:
$15 per with no minimum "donation". So, I guess it's way more than triple.
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Yeah, the "donation" is what really gets ya. It will be interesting to see what happens to ticket prices across all levels of sports now that you can't deduct college "donations" for tickets and deductibility for entertainment expenses has been substantially curtailed.
 


I'd blame demand, if there wasn't enough people to pay the asked prices then they would be forced to lower them - Look at ISU prices. Minnesota was giving tickets away if you bought a 2 liter of Coke. Effectively that means that the product people see on the field or the experience is worth it to almost 70,000 people 7-8 times per year. I personally don't have an issue with ticket prices as long as the stadium is at/near ticket capacity. It shows that the program is in good health. It does effectively price a lot of people out of the opportunity to attend them though, but that's how it works for a lot of industries. Hopefully the "donation" goes away with changes in tax structure but I'm not holding my breath.
 


okeefe4prez said:
Yeah, the "donation" is what really gets ya. It will be interesting to see what happens to ticket prices across all levels of sports now that you can't deduct college "donations" for tickets and deductibility for entertainment expenses has been substantially curtailed.
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$70 to $90 per ticket is still 5X the amount, plus whatever the "donation" amount it. All I know is that it far exceeds the inflation rate.
 


The thing is I'd have no problem paying $70-$90 per ticket to see an opponent that I wanted to see. The problem with season tickets is your shelling out much more than that and getting to the point where, based on the level of competition, your probably paying excess of $250-$300 to see the game or two that you really want to see and then spending the rest on the cupcakes. To a lot of us its just not worth it to get season tickets anymore.
 


okeefe4prez said:
I don't expect to win 10 games every year, but if you told me going into the year that Nebraska, Illinois, Maryland and Indiana would all finish with losing records, Purdue and Minnesota would finish 6-6, Wisconsin would finish 7-5 and Northwestern would finish 8-4, I would have set my reasonable projection at 10 wins with a Big Ten West title and be disappointed if we failed to achieve that. I would have expected a loss to PSU and the annual inexplicable Kirk loss, not fricking 8-4.
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This is the correct answer on this season's expectations.

Then, internally:
A defensive line, that was the most heralded since the start of 2010.
A returning starting QB.
2 TEs both being All American

Yes, we were green in linebackers, but the back 4 and front 4 should've overcame that.
 


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