HaydenHawk56
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I imagine something like this.
How does this Nightmare End?
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I imagine something like this.
okeefe4prez
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This is a good point. Programs like Arkansas and South Carolina, both of whom have sucked for awhile, are probably a glimpse into the future of Iowa. You're just there as fodder for the big boys. You can have your day in the sun once every decade or two, but other than that, you will suck.
SwirlinLingerie
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Where is Fry? He out?
HuckFinn
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You need to admit that all of the teams in the East are dog crap except OSU, MI, and PSU. Blue bloods defined. so, only wins against those 3 mean anything. OK. Now I understand your logic!
okeefe4prez
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Oh shit, last post Friday. I hope everything is okay with him. He's disappeared before when stuff has popped up, but after that chickenshit call to end the Minnesota game I would have expected a few rants at least.
There's no middle ground in the B10 at the moment.
Michigan has decided (or cheated) their way back to their rightful place near or at the top....where they haven't been in 2-3 decades. OSU is in their usual spot.
PSU is often just outside the door...until someone like Iowa/MSU/Wisconsin decides to derail them.
I've said it before, I don't think I've ever seen a year when out of Iowa/WI/MSU...not one of them is making a claim as a top 25 (or better) team and is prepared to derail PSU and turn them into a solid 2nd tier team.
And quite often a Purdue, Indiana, or even a Minnesota can make an argument over the course of the season that they should at least be getting some votes. The only bright spot outside of the usuals is Maryland. And that spot is bright because there's nobody there to challenge them.
This year...Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, MSU, Purdue, Nebraska, Indiana, Minnesota are all varying shades of terrible. Not one of them has shown signs of life. It's unequivocally the least balance in the Big 10 in at least 40 years.
Is this the portal? Smoothing out the mid tier in favor of say...the Duke's and James Madison's of the world? I've expected increased parity, but maybe it's coming at the expense of mid tier teams? Or is it just the leading edge after just 2 years of it....and we'll start to see even more change in the next few years?
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NorthKCHawk
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Even if the D and Specials hold us up for the last four games and we make it to Indy, the offense is fundamentally broken right now under BF's leadership. We can assess what varying levels of blame go where, but it is what it is. The new AD just has to quietly let KF know BF will not be back. He can then quietly get another job and no one has to fire anyone. Then, KF has to hire an OC and give them freehand to update the offense within reason. I would think that the new OC has to come from outside the organization, and other than Betts, I would be in favor of new position coaches too. If that all happens, I am fine moving forward with KF. If not, then.....
Yep. This is the desired outcome.
It will take some grace and tact from all parties.
I believe they are all capable of it. My assumption is Kirk understands the non financial value of not burning bridges and would (along with Brian) handle this with the grace, and even humor they both appear capable of.
As for the OC? And how much of a free hand? I doubt they get too much of a free hand. I just want some latitude. I don't know enough about the guys on the inside. I think Woods is a great fit in so many ways.....or any position in the program. I don't know about the Xs and Os part of things. I assume he knows 'em. I'm a huge proponent of him becoming head coach. I just look at the fact that he clearly knows how to motivate/develop/sculpt special teams. There'd be huge value in the likely continuity of sliding into the HC spot in a few years in terms of attracting players. He's got the Fry/Ferentz/Iowa connections that have been successful in attracting players. I just don't think we want to count him out or lose him 'cause of it. I think he's the best shot at providing another 20+ year run that would make me quite happy with the results all the way to the point where I'm old enough to need someone to change my diapers and yelling at clouds becomes my favorite pasttime.
But, at this point....I'll take anything. You know that meme with the stick figure poking something on the ground with a stick figure stick? "Do something...."
That's literally what it's felt like for over 2 years now.
Nfl teams have to play someone. The league does their schedule. And by the way, two weeks ago in ferentz’ weekly press conference, he said they didn’t have input into the b10 schedule, but the way he said it made it very clear, he did for non-conference so we can put that excuse behind us
Also, today, there is talk once again about the b10 expanding. Fsu, Clemson, unc, etc. I’d say within 5 years, there won’t be any conferences or bowls. Just playoffs. So the hiding will finally be officially over. If you think for one second we are a contender in that setting then you really do need your head examined
InGoodCo
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Old - couple things here.
I have repeatedly said, over and over, that Iowa can't compete in the NEW B1G - let alone whatever it is your talking about above. Know who and what you are debating
Kirk Ferentz 1000% wants to make his OOC easier. Did you think there was some stigma that wasn't the case? He would prefer to play Bethune Cookman 3 times a year in the OOC. It still doesn't change the fact that Iowa routinely plays 10 P5 programs and that is certainly not the norm around the sport. I've always been a proponent of scheduling like your peers.
It's never made sense why Iowa is scheduling 10 P5 teams a season and only 3 out of 14 teams of the SEC are. The SEC has it right, they realize they need to make their trip to the Playoffs easier not harder.
Bama is playing 9
Ark is playing 8
Auburn 9
FL - 10
GA - 9
KY - 9
LSU - 9
Miss St - 9
Mizzu - 9
Ole Miss - 9
SC - 10
TN - 10
A&M - 9
Vandy - 9
I wish to hell Iowa, and more so, the B1G, would figure that out. Everyone should play the same amount of P5 teams a season and teams like Iowa that play 10 are doing themselves a great disservice not following the SEC model in the current landscape of CFB
Cause.....ISU?
I'm not in favor of giving that game up, even though I accept the argument that Iowa has "more to lose".
Big fan of tradition, rivalries and whatnot. I"d be happy to go back to the days when there was no real "national title", coaches wore plaid coats in the school colors and knickerbockers. Instead of the band playing the Imperial March...the cheerleaders lead us in some cheer that involved the words "sis boom bah".
Besides, as part of our power 5 matchups, we usually have a steady diet of Illinois/Northwestern/Rutgers/Indiana.....
Most of whom could actually face a dicey situation going into Bethune Cookman as often as not. Maybe a bit hyperbolic, sure. But, isn't it really just sort of a Spinal Tap moment. Just our knob goes to 10 instead of the standard 9. Doesn't really make it "one louder".
First off, get over yourself. Not every reply is meant for you. Quit reading it that way. Secondly, learn to comprehend. Simply saying teams are playing 10, 9 or 8 p5’s isn’t a good comparison because the strength of schedule varies and that’s the entire point. By playing teams from 30-300 (outside one game), and having most in the top 75 isn’t tougher than someone playing 3 top 15-20 teams including one on the road. You are just spinning numbers to give Ferentz an excuse.
But here’s the good news. It’s just about to come to an end and Ferentz knows it. He’s within a few years of being done with b10 negotiated bowls, done with the b10W and done with it all. We’ll be thrown into one top 50 conglomerate and we’ll play who we’re told with only a playoff survival of the fittest format. And in that respect, the charade will be over. And he’s fully aware
ChosenChildren
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Iowa is not playing a weak schedule. In fact, one of the stronger ones. Check out the Massey and Sagarin rating services.
This "weak schedule" narrative is B.S.
InGoodCo
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You are a dipshit of epic proportions, you're reply was directly to me, dip shit. Are you that OLD that you don't know how message boards work? When you reply to someone, you are speaking directly to them. I do not need to get over myself. What does even mean? That I think I am smarter then you? If that's the case, I don't think it's debateable cause holy shit you're dumb.
You are clearly not an Iowa fan, so fucking leave and don't come back.
InGoodCo
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Don't try and explain it to a lot of these trolls, they think because we aren't playing a top 10 team every week that Iowa is somehow navigating some easier schedule than any other program in the country. Only Iowa plays cupcakes, other programs are facing the steel curtain every week and Kirk is just riding this easy wave to the tune of 7 mil a year, but that's all about to change. I am like WTF are you talking about? The B1G is one of the top 2 conferences in the country and Iowa faces a top 25ish schedule EVERY fucking year.
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InGoodCo
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Yes, it makes it louder. If you are playing programs higher on the totem pole routinely more than other teams, those teams will bite you more often then if you are playing 4 Roast Beef States every season.
A steady diet of ILL/NW/Rutgers/Indiana sounds a lot like you're talking about TOSU, Michigan and PSU as well right?
Does the SEC not get a steady diet of Arkansas, Vandy, South Carolina? I mean, the bottom of the SEC is dog shit every year. I mean, Auburn has been fucking terrible for a minute now.
Iowa plays a tough schedule every year, some years are easier then others sure, but Iowa plays in the fucking B1G....every game is hard.
HuckFinn
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Well. At least “old” is consistent with his BS.
BigD
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The combined record this year of all teams Iowa has played is 44-44. Iowa has only played one ranked team and as of right now no one on the rest of their schedule is ranked in the top 25.
For anyone to say Iowa has a tough schedule is delusional and absurd.
Also, just because some teams are in a power 5 conference doesn’t mean they belong there. Each division has its bottom dwellers, or bottom half. This is going to get significantly worse when Oregon, USC, Washington, and UCLA come on board. If the Big Ten goes to one division as suggested, Iowa will struggled to sniff the top six as long as our offense continues on the way it is going.
The combined record this year of all teams Iowa has played and will play is 44-44. Iowa has only played one ranked team and as of right now no one on the rest of their schedule is ranked in the top 25.
I wouldn’t say weak but average would be a better word. Most teams do line their schedule’s with cupcakes to pad their stats. So that is pretty standard even for the Alabama’s of college football.
Also, just because some teams are in a power 5 conference doesn’t mean they belong there. Each division has its bottom dwellers, or bottom half.
This is going to get significantly worse in the future in the Big Ten when Oregon, USC, Washington, and UCLA come on board. If the Big Ten goes to one division as suggested, Iowa will struggled to sniff the top six as long as our offense continues on the way it is going.
Iowa were placed up against Wisconsin for the most part since the West conference was formed . Not the toughest program to have to compete up against. Wisconsin isn’t a weak program, but then again it’s not at the level of Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, USC, Washington, Penn State, (insert Iowa or Wisconsin here).
