HN: SI Mock CFB Playoff Bracket & Why It Will Never Happen

Well if it is such a business, shouldn't we be paying these players?

We can either have a "TRUE" national champion or we can complain and moan about the BCS. I think they should change it.

Personally what happens if Texas goes undefeated and Alabama/Florida one of those two go undefeated? Iowa is left out and i guarantee you all of us will be wanting a playoff then!

Div 1aa football playoffs are so much better than the BCS and the bowl system. In order to get to the playoffs you have to have at least 8 wins and you must win your conference or be a runner-up. If you are 7-4 or sometimes 8-3 you don't get in! Earn your way to play in the post-season. Sorry teams getting bowl bids with 6-6 records, are you kidding me? that is a joke in itself. I mean most teams get bow eligible before they even start conference play! i mean some teams have 6-6 records and their conference records are 2-4 or 3-5 something stupid like that.

Also why do we have the NCAA basketball tournament? I mean shouldn't that just be for the BCS schools? Why do they allow the little guys in there, i think they should just play the BCS schools, why allow the moutain west schools in? How do they make it work? I know basketball is less physical than football, but i am sure you can get a model from that somehow and make it work. The current BCS system is a complete joke and when Iowa goes undefeated and gets snubbed for national title, then we all will be wishing for a playoff!
 
woodyk1 said:
Double the work, but not for the workers (players). The schools getting the money are not the ones doing the work. The supply the uniforms. The networks make most of the money that comes from the bowl system, not the schools. There is a way to do this and make money (most of the big stadiums sit empty after November). Using the current bowls as part of the system would work. Most if not all of the games could be on TV.
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Who pays for the travel, and who gets the gate? Do we split all monies made on each playoffs game with the Big Ten, or do we keep it all. Now only 2 big ten teams make post season, losing out on the bowl payouts for 6 others teams/games. Your fans won't travel more than once, so you can't play neutral fields. The bowl games make HUGE money for the communities that they are played in. You will be LOSING so much money, nobody will go for it. Why do you think ONLY reporters and fans want this. You don't even see coaches clamoring for this, not school presidents, not conference presidents, and not TV networks. Nobody that is involved in any of the economics of it wants playoffs at all. Until they can figure out how to make MORE money with a playoffs, it ain't gonna happen!

I'm not arguing for or against playoffs per say in theory, but to try to make an argument saying the economics would be better, that is just not seeing the facts.
 
deanvogs said:
Who pays for the travel, and who gets the gate? Do we split all monies made on each playoffs game with the Big Ten, or do we keep it all. Now only 2 big ten teams make post season, losing out on the bowl payouts for 6 others teams/games. Your fans won't travel more than once, so you can't play neutral fields. The bowl games make HUGE money for the communities that they are played in. You will be LOSING so much money, nobody will go for it. Why do you think ONLY reporters and fans want this. You don't even see coaches clamoring for this, not school presidents, not conference presidents, and not TV networks. Nobody that is involved in any of the economics of it wants playoffs at all. Until they can figure out how to make MORE money with a playoffs, it ain't gonna happen!

I'm not arguing for or against playoffs per say in theory, but to try to make an argument saying the economics would be better, that is just not seeing the facts.
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Who pays for travel for the NCAA basketball tournament? Who gets the money when 6 teams from a conference make the BB tourney? I know it costs more to have a football tram travel, but, again, there is an existing model that could be tweaked for it to work. I know all the kinks won't be worked out initially, but it will evolve, just like the NCAA BB tourney did. The BB tourney used to be at home arenas (like the women's tourney is) but then big money came in and made neutral sites possible. The BB tourney then evolved from 32 teams to finally 65 when all of the money came in. Sure, BB is different than FB, but there are possible solutions.

The problem is jumping into the middle of the process for football playoffs for Div 1 with all of the existing money involved. I am not naive enough to know that the folks making money don't want to change. However, this does work on smaller scales in the lower divisions of football and all divisions of basketball. The bowl cities can remain involved at the beginning and things will evolve to something more mature down the road.

I think we agree on the fact that a playoff system could work (and will work down the road, maybe not in our life times). However, I believe the process is going down the road for a playoff and what we have now is better than what we had 20 years ago. I am pointing out the factors that are seemingly blocking the process that are not (in my mind) really hinderances. If enough money is thrown at this, it will happen. Now that ESPN is involved with the BCS, it may happen as long as ESPN has the cash. We will see.
 
And that truly is a disservice to our student athletes that deserve the opportunity to at least play it on the field. You may be correct in what you say, but I find it a shame that we allow the "business" to out way the "sport".....


JonDMiller said:
It is not a model that would work at the D1 level. Those are stadiums that seat 10 to 20,000 tops...and they are not full when the weather is bad. It's simply not apples and oranges. the D1-AA system is about a game...the D1 system is a business.
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woodyk1 said:
Who pays for travel for the NCAA basketball tournament? Who gets the money when 6 teams from a conference make the BB tourney? I know it costs more to have a football tram travel, but, again, there is an existing model that could be tweaked for it to work. I know all the kinks won't be worked out initially, but it will evolve, just like the NCAA BB tourney did. The BB tourney used to be at home arenas (like the women's tourney is) but then big money came in and made neutral sites possible. The BB tourney then evolved from 32 teams to finally 65 when all of the money came in. Sure, BB is different than FB, but there are possible solutions.

The problem is jumping into the middle of the process for football playoffs for Div 1 with all of the existing money involved. I am not naive enough to know that the folks making money don't want to change. However, this does work on smaller scales in the lower divisions of football and all divisions of basketball. The bowl cities can remain involved at the beginning and things will evolve to something more mature down the road.

I think we agree on the fact that a playoff system could work (and will work down the road, maybe not in our life times). However, I believe the process is going down the road for a playoff and what we have now is better than what we had 20 years ago. I am pointing out the factors that are seemingly blocking the process that are not (in my mind) really hinderances. If enough money is thrown at this, it will happen. Now that ESPN is involved with the BCS, it may happen as long as ESPN has the cash. We will see.
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How can you compare BB to FB? I don't even have enough space to start listing the differences. If they could make money on a playoff, that is what they would have done instead of the BCS system years ago when they initiated that system. Sorry to tell ya, it is all about the money, and until you can make more money with a playoff (which you NEVER will) it ain't gonna happen.
 
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How about this....
Lets use this years possible scenario: Florida,Texas and Iowa are all undefeated.
Have Texas and Iowa play in the #2 BCS bowl (Orange,Rose,Fiesta,whichever) . The winner of that game plays a week later in the NC game vs. Florida.
All the rest of the bowls stay the same. I dont see any losers in a setup like that.
 
Yeah but who is to say that Florida is the team to get the bye? Just have a Final Four, those four teams meet a week before and the winners play again in the National Championship. That way if a Boise or TCU ends up undefeated, they have a chance to knock off a number 1, like Fla.
 
Here's an easy transition to a playoff. The 4 BCS bowls (Rose, Orange, Fiesta, and Sugar) are played as usual (just like the rest of the bowls). The winners play the next week in the semifinals and the winners meet in the finals the next week. This adds 2 games to the current scenario and only one extra week. It does eliminate 2 current BCS slots, but the Top 8 teams would be in the playoffs and the champ would be decided on the field. This is not without problems, but it would be a way to transition to a playoff.
 
Jon, you forgot one very important piece in this analysis - Notre Dame. You would need to force them to join a conference because you don't want them scheduling "soft" and have them claiming they should be a part of the system. Right now, they have no desire to join a league as we all know, so until that happens there can't be a playoff system. But it is fun to discuss :)
 
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