HN Big Ten Preview: The Top Half

Ohio State is being way, way, WAAAAYYY overrated by everyone. They were awful last year, still don't have any WRs, and you make fun of Denard and TMart as passers but Braxton Miller gets a free pass? If Urban Meyer wasn't the coach of this team people would be picking them to go 6-6 again.
 
I agree. OSU is getting a Meyer bump. I would pick Michigan as the best team this year simply because their offense will be very good and i think their defense will only continue to get better.
 
Gee, I wonder why people give Urban Meyer a bump.

Bowling Green: turned 2-9 team into 8-3
Utah: turned 5-6 team into 10-2
FLA: turned 7-4 team into 9-3

Must be luck.
 
Ohio State is being way, way, WAAAAYYY overrated by everyone. They were awful last year, still don't have any WRs, and you make fun of Denard and TMart as passers but Braxton Miller gets a free pass? If Urban Meyer wasn't the coach of this team people would be picking them to go 6-6 again.

I agree in principle with you, but maybe a little more in moderation. The Big Ten is soft, Jon is right about that, and Braxton Miller is no Michael Vick, at least as far as having an arm to go with his legs.

OSU still has a lot of talent (read: probably more talent on their 6-7 squad last year than any Ferentz team save maybe 2002). But the journey from 6 wins to 11 requires a lot of jelling. I think the Bucks resemble the Ohio State we know and hate, much more so than last year, but I see them dropping a couple other games to the Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska set.
 
Wisconsin hasn't lost in Madison in over two years. They aren't losing to OSU in Madison.

As long as Martinez is the QB in Lincoln then Nebraska has no chance to win the league. It's Michigan, MSU and Wisconsin in the Top 3 and then everybody else.

I see MSU vs. Wisconsin again in the title game with MSU winning this time around.
 
@ JohnDMiller

At the bottom of your article under leaders
You flipped the order of your Win Loss numbers for Wisconsin.
All of the other teams have Big Ten numbers stated first.
 
Wisconsin hasn't lost in Madison in over two years. They aren't losing to OSU in Madison.

As long as Martinez is the QB in Lincoln then Nebraska has no chance to win the league. It's Michigan, MSU and Wisconsin in the Top 3 and then everybody else.

I see MSU vs. Wisconsin again in the title game with MSU winning this time around.

Wisconsin in the title game? You are crazy!! they have to beat out Illinois, Purdue and Indiana.
 
Wisconsin hasn't lost in Madison in over two years. They aren't losing to OSU in Madison.

As long as Martinez is the QB in Lincoln then Nebraska has no chance to win the league. It's Michigan, MSU and Wisconsin in the Top 3 and then everybody else.

I see MSU vs. Wisconsin again in the title game with MSU winning this time around.

As much as I dis-admire your trolling in the basketball forum (no hard feelings), I think this is spot on. Braxton Miller is still a young QB, and Madison is no picnic of a road trip. As for the Cornshuckers, MSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin should be able to stuff the box and shut down Nebraska's running game. I don't know what happened to MSU in Lincoln last year, but the Huskers weren't even remotely close to beating Michigan or Wisconsin last year. I don't even think losing Wilson and going to Lincoln will erase all of the shortcomings Nebraska had in the all-Red matchup last year.
 
8-4 isn't even beating every team we are better than. It really sucks that our fanbase has come to expect losses to inferior competition...I hope that KF has fixed that.

This might be a year where the majority of competition is Not inferior to the Hawks. Hope I'm wrong.
 
8-4 isn't even beating every team we are better than. It really sucks that our fanbase has come to expect losses to inferior competition...I hope that KF has fixed that.


I see what you mean intuitively, but at this point I can't tell how good Iowa is. The quality of Iowa football fluctuates from year to year - and so do other teams.

Iowa could be 8-4 and be lacking a win against a ranked opoonent - 8-4 and still mediocre is possilbe.

I hate that.

:mad:
 
This might be a year where the majority of competition is Not inferior to the Hawks. Hope I'm wrong.
I see what you mean intuitively, but at this point I can't tell how good Iowa is. The quality of Iowa football fluctuates from year to year - and so do other teams.

Iowa could be 8-4 and be lacking a win against a ranked opoonent - 8-4 and still mediocre is possilbe.

I hate that.

:mad:

Agreed. I know we are young and have some huge question marks...but our program is so much better than Indiana, Minnesota, ISU, NW...even in our down years we shouldn't be EXPECTING losses against those teams. That is what is truly frustrating.
 
Agreed. I know we are young and have some huge question marks...but our program is so much better than Indiana, Minnesota, ISU, NW...even in our down years we shouldn't be EXPECTING losses against those teams. That is what is truly frustrating.

I disagree that our program is "so much better" than NW. Fitz has definitely changed the mindset of that program, and I believe Rhoads is doing the same at ISU. Indiana is too soon with Wilson, and Minny may be a few years away, though they return some decent personnel and I think Kill can do good things with them.

Basically, it will always be OSU and Michigan, with Wisconsin/Iowa/MSU rotating into the top tier. Time will tell with Nebby, but I am pretty sure they will always be a closer to top tier than middle tier. And NW will probably have a year or two each decade at or near the top, but less than the others.

The wild card for the next six to eight years will be PSU. Just how far can they fall? How long will O'Brien be able to stand the pressure, and how bad will they hurt by the sanctions?
 
8-4 isn't even beating every team we are better than. It really sucks that our fanbase has come to expect losses to inferior competition...I hope that KF has fixed that.

I think you may have to buy some Hawkeye glasses that aren't so densely tinted. Michigan, Michigan State, and Nebraska are clearly more talented than Iowa this year. Purdue is probably even with us this year in talent and Northwestern is closer to us than you may wish to believe. ISU and Minnesota are in the ballpark (having those games in Kinnick should be helpful, though).

I really hate to admit this, but I'm a big enough man to say that imported_ankle23 and many of the other Ferentz apologists have begun to sway me. 2009 feels like a long time ago, but most college football programs have breaks in between raucously successful seasons (at least those that, like Iowa, are lucky enough to have the occasional raucously successful season). Many programs also have years like we had in 2010. Games are not won on paper.

I don't think Ferentz is infallible, but the instances in which his game management decisions have actually cost us games are VERY few. Fact is, some years, like 2009, 2003, and 2004, we'll win a good handful of our 'swing' games and have memorable seasons. The good thing now is, in the years we don't, we'll still be dangerous and almost certainly bowl-eligible. If 2012, is one of the former years, then we probably win close games versus ISU, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Purdue. The only teams I'm going to say we probably outclass in talent are CMU, Indiana, UNI, and maybe NIU (I've heard they've lost a lot).
 
Thank you for proving my point about our fan base. Now go back and watch football for the last 30 years and tell me again how wrong I am about our program being not just "so much better" but light years better than the aforementioned schools.

Like I originally said, it sucks when our fan base expects loses to (and argues on behalf of) ISU, Minny, NW and Indiana as being as good or better than the Hawks.

Its not about colored glasses, its about the level of disappointing losses each year that leads to stupefying expectations...hopefully a problem which will be remedied this year.
 
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Thank you for proving my point about our fan base. Now go back and watch football for the last 30 years and tell me again how wrong I am about our program being not just "so much better" but light years better than the aforementioned schools.

Like I originally said, it sucks when our fan base expects loses to (and argues on behalf of) ISU, Minny, NW and Indiana as being as good or better than the Hawks.

Its not about colored glasses, its about the level of disappointing losses each year that leads to stupefying expectations...hopefully a problem which will be remedied this year.

I agree we've had a lot of disappointing losses. I was disagreeing with your implication that we are better than nine teams on our schedule. All my too-long rant was trying to say is that I feel like I've seen the light in a sense by realizing that we can no longer consider ourselves better than ISU and Northwestern before either school has played a game this year. Also, as bob62 (I believe) said, Minnesota is on their way, and Purdue has plenty of talent this year.

Historically, I agree that we've had more talent than a lot of teams we've lost to. I don't think anybody around here should have expected half of the losses we've had to ISU and Northwestern. All I'm saying is that this year we are not out-of-hand better or more talented than nine teams on our schedule. We can win nine, but it will take some tough wins.
 
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