Hilton vs Carver all time record.

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Bigtenchamp

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After perusing basketball reference.com and the official websites of Iowa and ISU basketball.


Carver all time winning per 77%
Hilton all time winning per 75%


We can agree very few if any places are more nuts then Hilton.

Point again being - vastly overblown when it comes to the bottom line.
 
The record would be a bit better if the Lickliter didn't happen. I believe Lute Olsen left before Carver opened and Iowa coaches since then are Raveling, Davis, Alford, Lickliter and now McCaffery. Ravelings number were not all that great but he brought in great talent for Davis to work with. I'm not sure when Hilton opened and who all the coaches for ISU are since it opened. I just know that before Johnny Orr came to ISU it was not very good.
 
Hilton has great student support and Carver doesn't. Plus ISU doesn't have a good football team or wrestling team so for them, hoops is it. Iowa has won more at home because over the long haul, we have had a better program.
 
Smarthawk said:
Hilton has great student support and Carver doesn't. Plus ISU doesn't have a good football team or wrestling team so for them, hoops is it. Iowa has won more at home because over the long haul, we have had a better program.
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They dropped baseball also but whose counting.Their fans love there teams and we love ours,nothing wrong with that.Biggest difference is they have better parking for their venues.
 
I would love to hear from the Iowa players and get their honest opinion. Every once in awhile after a game one of them will say ...WOW what about that crowd tonight! Not very often though.
 
I rest my case. A loud and rowdy student section has not magically gotten the clowns any more wins.
 
I think this actually proves the point that Hilton is a far better venue with a greater home court advantage. Why? Well, younger posters may not remember this but over the long haul Iowa has a far far better basketball PROGRAM. Before Tim Floyd showed up, there was a chasm between the programs. From 1983 when Carver opened to 1994 when Floyd showed up, it wasn't even close bn the Hawks and clones. Yes, Iowa had some really bad years w Lick but the Clones were lean bn Eustacy and Fred, too. I'm not willing to calculate win % for ISU hoops bc I just don't care that much but I assure you it's overall less than Iowa's for the time period of 1983-present. Now compare the overall win % to the home win %. THAT will tell you walk at that home court means. Furthermore, better data for what the CURRENT effect of each area has on winning would be to look at the last 10-15 years. MUCH has changed with how fans watch games and how they are scheduled.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
All the same, I'd still like to see a better and more raucous environment in Carver. So sue me. :p
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That is perfectly fine - but let's be honest a lot of people who complain do it on the principle that it equates to more success.

There isn't any meaningful evidence to support that.

Teams usually win on their home.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
All the same, I'd still like to see a better and more raucous environment in Carver. So sue me. :p
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As long as you and others understand this is more about you and your game time experience and quit making it about more success for the program.
 
ssckelley said:
I think it is a big mistake to just look at stadium records to determine whether or not crowd noise has an impact on the game. The density of crowd noise has an impact on the players, the coaches, and the referees and their is plenty of research that backs it up all you have to do is google it.

Here is one of many articles on the topic: http://believeperform.com/education/crowd-and-the-home-advantage/
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I don't think anyone would argue that a loud crowd can be helpful - but the point is, when its all said and done it really has hardly anything to do with winning national championships.

Pro sports - where you get a home field advantage in the post season it matters way more.

But in NCAA basketball...
 
sioux34 said:
Since your example is about English football, I find it totally invalid. Sorry.
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lol...the sport doesn't matter at all. There were plenty of other articles that came up when I googled it and they all pretty much say the same thing.
 
Bigtenchamp said:
I don't think anyone would argue that a loud crowd can be helpful - but the point is, when its all said and done it really has hardly anything to do with winning national championships.

Pro sports - where you get a home field advantage in the post season it matters way more.

But in NCAA basketball...
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whooops....now where in the heck did we put that goal post???? ;)
 
ssckelley said:
lol...the sport doesn't matter at all. There were plenty of other articles that came up when I googled it and they all pretty much say the same thing.
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All kidding aside, I don't agree with the methodology that leads these "researchers" to their conclusions. There are far to many variables to consider than just dense/active crowd equals more wins. As a matter of fact, the causal relationship is more likely to be the reverse. The more you win, the better crowds you will have. That makes much more sense to me.
 
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