hawkeyebob62
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And it's when YOU share a complete lack of knowledge and historical revision.
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And it's when YOU share a complete lack of knowledge and historical revision.
Good point. There is no way the 2015 wins a championship if they played all the top teams. It really shows how hard it is to compare the two coaches using stats. There are just too many changes variables. Using the eyeball test, Fry wins by a mile.
I will take that just as I agree that Iowa can fly a banner saying 1 National Football season championship back in the late 50s from the Football Writers iirc
Northside Hawk
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How relevant was Ohio State during Evy's tenure? Woody Hayes took the reigns in 1951. Did he start winning right away?
I think Parsiegian was at Northwestern and Crisler(?) at Michigan and Duffy Daughtery at MSU. What about Minnesota? Who else was Evy coaching against?
You dont know the answers to those questions in Iowa football history?
The buckeyes were strong in the 1950s and forever, Michigan was strong but slid down under Elliott in the early mid sixties, Ara P had jNW up to # 2 in the polls in the late 50s and they were very good, MSU was strong.
And lets not forget that Minny was still very strong in the 50's and I think their 1960 team at 1 with Sandy Stephens at QB had the game of the year beating Iowa who was #2 to claim the big 10 and I think their last of many Natty titles.
We shouldnt moan as groan as much as we do becuz we could be Minny!!!!
Northside Hawk
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Half the people on this board wouldn't know who those coaches were. So bottom line, Evy was competing against a stacked deck and still winning.
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DDThompson
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Texas has 2 conference championships and one national title since 1999.
Texas.
And following a 13-1 season with mediocre 5-7 8-5 9-4 and 8-5 seasons they hired the hot new coach who took them to .... a hot mess.
Yes. Charlie Stong and Tom Herman say it’s pretty easy to maintain a mediocre program.
Texas.
Texas.
And following a 13-1 season with mediocre 5-7 8-5 9-4 and 8-5 seasons they hired the hot new coach who took them to .... a hot mess.
Yes. Charlie Stong and Tom Herman say it’s pretty easy to maintain a mediocre program.
Texas.
Motigerhawk
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I want a coach to take us to the next level. That level being an average of 10 wins a season. KF is not the guy to do it.
Yeah, he is a stellar guy who runs a clean program. But he is mediocre at best as a HC.
With our weak OOC and not playing UM or OSU every year should make for a 10 wins a very viable goal. But we always lose those games we shouldnt.. And it always seems like we say "What could have been?"
Fry brought us to this point. He was an outstanding coach. KF only beats Fry in the fund raising department. Otherwise, there is no comparisons.
Fry
KF
Yeah, he is a stellar guy who runs a clean program. But he is mediocre at best as a HC.
With our weak OOC and not playing UM or OSU every year should make for a 10 wins a very viable goal. But we always lose those games we shouldnt.. And it always seems like we say "What could have been?"
Fry brought us to this point. He was an outstanding coach. KF only beats Fry in the fund raising department. Otherwise, there is no comparisons.
Fry
KF
Northside Hawk
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To get your wish, and basically be Wisconsin since 2010, you (we) would need
- An athletic director who holds coaches accountable and
- Keeps his guys on a short leash (4 years max, for recruiting purposes.)
- Assistant coaches pushing the coordinators, who in turn are pushing the HC.
Consistent ten win seasons hasn't been our history under the last two coaches. It would be a tall mountain to climb, and take some thinking outside the box, and possibly ruffle feathers of some big time donors.
Accomplish all that and there's a chance!
hawkinarkansas
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Fry’s brand of football was 10 times more enjoyable to watch than what we put on the field each week now. I’d much rather watch an 8-4 Fry team over an 8-4 Ferentz team, somehow I feel cheated by KF each week
Cheating would help.
Northside Hawk
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It all comes back to the eye test. Ferentz losses just seem to ring more hollow.
When a Fry team lost it was usually evident that the other team was better on that day.
Ironically, the union card existed then, too, and Hayden had a rep of not always playing the most talented player.
I know because I saw it.
Totally true all around. If KF is our coach fine but you are going to get 1-2 mystery losses almost every year, except 2015, and 1 good upset most years and an avg of 8-4, 7-5. This years team is just making too many errors to win.
I have documented and lamented for years the poor game time management by KF. No hawk fans seem to care.
Granted I will still take 8-4 and 9-3 but I dont like the 7-5. I take it as he is the coach under contract.
I just hate how the players have to play under such a tight structured offense and defense. But it is what it is right now. For example I would just love an sneaky A gap blitz that buries the opposing QB, just once,
thedukeofearl
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From the Columbus Dispatch way back then:
During the 1950′s, the Big Ten Conference belonged to Ohio State and Iowa. The Buckeyes captured outright league championships in 1954, 1955, and 1957. The Hawkeyes won outright conference titles in 1956 and 1958. Iowa was guided by fiery Forest Evashevski, who had been an outstanding blocking back for the Michigan Wolverines in the late-1930′s. There was no love lost between Hayes and Evashevski. The two rivals nearly came to blows during a heated discussion at a conference coaches’ meeting in Chicago.
From Hawkeye Report:
The Buckeyes came in ranked third in both polls. After the Minnesota loss, the Hawks had fallen to eighth. But Iowa was motivated to beat Ohio State for a very basic reason, Evy hated Woody Hayes and the feeling was quite mutual. Evy and Hayes had quickly become heated rivals when they began their head coaching careers at their respective schools in the early 50's, and the animosity grew steadily throughout the decade. For example, Hayes accused Evy of not mowing the grass on the Iowa Stadium field in order to slow down Ohio State's strong rushing attack. On one occasion at a Big Ten coaches' conference in Chicago, after Hayes and Evy traded insults, Evy climbed over a conference room table to attack Hayes and had to be restrained by the other coaches. The only blemish on the record of Evy's 1958 Big Ten championship team and 1959 Rose Bowl champion (arguably the greatest team in Iowa football history) was Ohio State's 38-28 victory over the Hawks at Iowa Stadium in what was generally considered the greatest display of offensive football in Big Ten history at the time. Evy considered that loss, along with the infamous 1953 Notre Dame game, as one of the most bitter of his coaching career.
The 1960 game started ominously for the Hawks as Ohio State took the opening drive and drove behind Tom Matte and fullback Bob Ferguson to about the Iowa 20, where the drive stalled. After taking over on downs, however, the Hawks served notice that they were ready to play. Behind QB Wilburn Hollis, the Hawks drove quickly to midfield and then fullback Joe Williams burst through the middle of the Ohio State line to score on a 50 yard TD run. Ohio State answered that TD quickly with a touchdown of their own, but then the Hawks literally exploded. In what my father considered to be the greatest 15 minutes he ever saw from a Hawkeye team, the Hawks reeled off 21 unanswered points in the second quarter to take a 28-6 halftime lead.
But the game was not over. Ohio State opened the third quarter with a quick TD to close to 28-12, and the teams battled furiously for the rest of the quarter. Then, with Iowa backed up on its own 9-yard line, halfback Larry Ferguson (no relation to OSU's Bob) broke an electrifying 91-yard touchdown run to break the game open.
The Hawkeyes had pummeled the nation's third ranked team, 35-12. Ferguson had averaged over 20 yards per carry in the game. After the game, my dad and I made our way down to the Ohio State locker room to say hello to Dr. Murphy. Little did we know what we would find when the guard let us into the Ohio State locker room. As he let us in, we literally walked into one of Woody Hayes' absolute classic tirades. He was chewing his players up one side and down the other. I heard more profanities from Hayes in that several minute episode than I knew existed. "You pussy footed pipsqueaks let that g-damn s.o.b. Evashevski embarrass me in front of 60,000 people!" was one of the more gentle statements that Coach Hayes uttered to his cowering forces.
Evy was the goods and he Bitterly Hated Woody Hayes;
From the Chicago Tribune:
The meeting, Ara Parseghian recalls, took place sometime in the late
`50s, when he was head football coach at Northwestern University. Ohio State University`s Woody Hayes, Michigan State University`s Duffy Daugherty, University of Iowa`s Forest Evashevski and the rest of his Big-10 peers were also on hand, and together they made a vow in the wake of the scandals that had recently rocked college sports. ''We all agreed,'' Parseghian remembers,
''that we were not going to cheat and that the first guy who was caught cheating would lose his job. Well, the first guy caught was (former Illinois coach) Pete Elliott, and Pete was dismissed (in 1967), and that came out of that meeting.''
He pauses, leans back in his chair and reflects for a moment on that meeting nearly three decades ago. ''God,'' he finally continues with a small chuckle, ''there are some funny stories from those times. Evy used to needle Woody all the time, and they were going to fight in one meeting. Woody got up, took his coat off, threw his keys down and wanted to fight. Evy said, `Sit down, Woody, before you get hurt.` But''-and here his laughter dies-''the more I think about it, yeah, we used to sit around and talk about common problems. That agreement was made. We agreed that if a guy cheats . . . ''-and now Parseghian`s finger cuts across his neck-''and it happened. A `Death Penalty` within the conference for a coach.''
Iowa finished the 1958 regular season ranked #2 in the AP and Coaches Polls, behind 11–0 LSU, although both votes were taken before the bowl games. Iowa convincingly won the 1959 Rose Bowl, 38–12, setting or tying six Rose Bowl records. The Football Writers Association of America gave their national championship trophy, the Grantland Rice Trophy, to Iowa.
Northside Hawk
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1956 had to be the famous "Alex Karras Game" where the colorful future Detroit Lion, announcer, and TV star had a late QB sack to preserve a 6-0 win.From the Columbus Dispatch way back then:
During the 1950′s, the Big Ten Conference belonged to Ohio State and Iowa. The Buckeyes captured outright league championships in 1954, 1955, and 1957. The Hawkeyes won outright conference titles in 1956 and 1958. Iowa was guided by fiery Forest Evashevski, who had been an outstanding blocking back for the Michigan Wolverines in the late-1930′s. There was no love lost between Hayes and Evashevski. The two rivals nearly came to blows during a heated discussion at a conference coaches’ meeting in Chicago.
From Hawkeye Report:
The Buckeyes came in ranked third in both polls. After the Minnesota loss, the Hawks had fallen to eighth. But Iowa was motivated to beat Ohio State for a very basic reason, Evy hated Woody Hayes and the feeling was quite mutual. Evy and Hayes had quickly become heated rivals when they began their head coaching careers at their respective schools in the early 50's, and the animosity grew steadily throughout the decade. For example, Hayes accused Evy of not mowing the grass on the Iowa Stadium field in order to slow down Ohio State's strong rushing attack. On one occasion at a Big Ten coaches' conference in Chicago, after Hayes and Evy traded insults, Evy climbed over a conference room table to attack Hayes and had to be restrained by the other coaches. The only blemish on the record of Evy's 1958 Big Ten championship team and 1959 Rose Bowl champion (arguably the greatest team in Iowa football history) was Ohio State's 38-28 victory over the Hawks at Iowa Stadium in what was generally considered the greatest display of offensive football in Big Ten history at the time. Evy considered that loss, along with the infamous 1953 Notre Dame game, as one of the most bitter of his coaching career.
The 1960 game started ominously for the Hawks as Ohio State took the opening drive and drove behind Tom Matte and fullback Bob Ferguson to about the Iowa 20, where the drive stalled. After taking over on downs, however, the Hawks served notice that they were ready to play. Behind QB Wilburn Hollis, the Hawks drove quickly to midfield and then fullback Joe Williams burst through the middle of the Ohio State line to score on a 50 yard TD run. Ohio State answered that TD quickly with a touchdown of their own, but then the Hawks literally exploded. In what my father considered to be the greatest 15 minutes he ever saw from a Hawkeye team, the Hawks reeled off 21 unanswered points in the second quarter to take a 28-6 halftime lead.
But the game was not over. Ohio State opened the third quarter with a quick TD to close to 28-12, and the teams battled furiously for the rest of the quarter. Then, with Iowa backed up on its own 9-yard line, halfback Larry Ferguson (no relation to OSU's Bob) broke an electrifying 91-yard touchdown run to break the game open.
The Hawkeyes had pummeled the nation's third ranked team, 35-12. Ferguson had averaged over 20 yards per carry in the game. After the game, my dad and I made our way down to the Ohio State locker room to say hello to Dr. Murphy. Little did we know what we would find when the guard let us into the Ohio State locker room. As he let us in, we literally walked into one of Woody Hayes' absolute classic tirades. He was chewing his players up one side and down the other. I heard more profanities from Hayes in that several minute episode than I knew existed. "You pussy footed pipsqueaks let that g-damn s.o.b. Evashevski embarrass me in front of 60,000 people!" was one of the more gentle statements that Coach Hayes uttered to his cowering forces.
Evy was the goods and he Bitterly Hated Woody Hayes;
From the Chicago Tribune:
The meeting, Ara Parseghian recalls, took place sometime in the late
`50s, when he was head football coach at Northwestern University. Ohio State University`s Woody Hayes, Michigan State University`s Duffy Daugherty, University of Iowa`s Forest Evashevski and the rest of his Big-10 peers were also on hand, and together they made a vow in the wake of the scandals that had recently rocked college sports. ''We all agreed,'' Parseghian remembers,
''that we were not going to cheat and that the first guy who was caught cheating would lose his job. Well, the first guy caught was (former Illinois coach) Pete Elliott, and Pete was dismissed (in 1967), and that came out of that meeting.''
He pauses, leans back in his chair and reflects for a moment on that meeting nearly three decades ago. ''God,'' he finally continues with a small chuckle, ''there are some funny stories from those times. Evy used to needle Woody all the time, and they were going to fight in one meeting. Woody got up, took his coat off, threw his keys down and wanted to fight. Evy said, `Sit down, Woody, before you get hurt.` But''-and here his laughter dies-''the more I think about it, yeah, we used to sit around and talk about common problems. That agreement was made. We agreed that if a guy cheats . . . ''-and now Parseghian`s finger cuts across his neck-''and it happened. A `Death Penalty` within the conference for a coach.''
Iowa finished the 1958 regular season ranked #2 in the AP and Coaches Polls, behind 11–0 LSU, although both votes were taken before the bowl games. Iowa convincingly won the 1959 Rose Bowl, 38–12, setting or tying six Rose Bowl records. The Football Writers Association of America gave their national championship trophy, the Grantland Rice Trophy, to Iowa.
1953 had to be the famous "Fainting Irish Game" where Notre Dame, out of time outs late in both halves, had players fake injuries to get the clocked stopped enough to score and win.
hawkdrummer1
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Interesting. Examples?
Northside Hawk
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Fullback Fred Bush over David Hudson
Running Back Rick Bayless over Kevin Harmon, Kevin Ringer, Grant Goodmann
Wide Receiver Jeff Anttila over Harold Jasper, Anthony Dean
Peter Marciano was a huge Hayden favorite. Aside from that famous punt return in the Metrodome he didn't do much as a returner for four years at a time when punt returners were more important.
Jim Reilly was a Hayden pet. His inability to cover anyone was on full display in that 1988 Indiana game when Hartlieb threw for 556 in a losing effort and it turned into a total shootout.
