Herbstreit on Mike & Mike re: Meyer to OSU

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They asked Herbstreit if he thought that Meyer's offense he ran at Florida would work at Ohio St and he said "He will probably feel like he is playing against scout team defenses in the Big 10, I expect that his offesne will be good and probably even dominate."

Way to stick up for your conference and it's defenses Herbie. The lovefest of the SEC gets so old, and only going to get worse when this year is an all SEC title game. Does anyone know the Big 10's record vs the SEC over the past 5 years? I am pretty sure Iowa is 3-1 with a narrow loss to Florida where we got screwed on phantom offsides on Greenway when we recovered the onside kick.

I like Herbie but expect a lot more out of him than comments like that. Hopefully OSU has some additional sanctions coming for running such a dirty program the past decade.
 
I think it is close to 50-50 in the BCS era.

Nobody argues that the SEC has dominated the national titles, but the views are highly skewed of ESecPN personalities.
 
Since 2002 the Big Ten is 12-13 the SEC took the lead only last year...

2010 season

Big Ten vs. SEC: 1-3
Outback: Florida 37, Penn State 24
Capital One: Alabama 49, Michigan State 7
Gator: Mississippi State 52, Michigan 14
BCS Sugar: Ohio State 31, Arkansas 26

2009 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 1-1
Outback: Auburn 38, Northwestern 35 (OT)
Capital One: Penn State 19, Louisiana State 17

2008 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 1-1
Outback: Iowa 31, South Carolina 10
Capital One: Georgia 24, Michigan State 12

2007 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 1-2
Outback: Tennessee 21, Wisconsin 17
Capital One: Michigan 41, Florida 35
BCS title: Louisiana State 38, Ohio State 24


2006 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 2-1
Outback: Penn State 20, Tennessee 10
Capital One: Wisconsin 17, Arkansas 14
BCS title: Florida 41, Ohio State 14


2005 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 1-1
Outback: Florida 31, Iowa 24
Capital One: Wisconsin 24, Auburn 10


2004 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 2-1
Outback: Georgia 24, Wisconsin 21
Capital One: Iowa 30, Louisiana State 25
Music City: Minnesota 20, Alabama 16

2003 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 1-2
Outback: Iowa 37, Florida 17
Capital One: Georgia 34, Purdue 27 (OT)
Music City: Auburn 28, Wisconsin 14


2002 season
Big Ten vs. SEC: 2-1
Outback: Michigan 38, Florida 30
Capital One: Auburn 13, Penn State 9
Music City: Minnesota 29, Arkansas 14
 
The SEC is better than everyone perception comes from their dominance in BCS championship games but if you look at BCS Bowls besides the championship game the Big Ten has done better. Which to me shows that while lately the SEC has had the best team in the country it doesn't mean they have the deepest and best conference in the country. I think the Big 12 and Big Ten are just as deep and talented. They just don't have that one really great team like the SEC has had the past few years.

Non championship BCS bowl appearances:
SEC 14 Big Ten 20

At large BCS Bids:
SEC 7 Big Ten 10

Number of different teams that have received BCS Bowl Bids:
SEC 7 Big Ten 7
 
The Big Ten actually has a better record in the entire BCS era.

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Flaw in Herbie's logic: If Meyer feels like he is going up against scout team defenses, he will also feel like he has a scout team offense.
 
You guys are only taking into account the bowl season. What's the record look like including regular season games? Just curious
 
Herbstreit was right about one thing, with Norm's defense against the spread and OSU's dominance over Iowa during the entire history the two teams have played, if Meyer goes to OSU, the dominance will continue.

Ferentz may never beat OSU his entire coaching career at Iowa.
 
NewMexHawk said:
Herbstreit was right about one thing, with Norm's defense against the spread and OSU's dominance over Iowa during the entire history the two teams have played, if Meyer goes to OSU, the dominance will continue.

Ferentz may never beat OSU his entire coaching career at Iowa.
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2004 just called to say hello...
 
SEC defenses are superior to the B10's. The talent on Alabama and LSU is nuts. The amount of NFLers they've put out in the last 10 years is crazy. The biggest difference is on the DL, speed off the edge and the massive DT's.
 
WindyCityHawkI said:
They asked Herbstreit if he thought that Meyer's offense he ran at Florida would work at Ohio St and he said "He will probably feel like he is playing against scout team defenses in the Big 10, I expect that his offesne will be good and probably even dominate."

Way to stick up for your conference and it's defenses Herbie. The lovefest of the SEC gets so old, and only going to get worse when this year is an all SEC title game. Does anyone know the Big 10's record vs the SEC over the past 5 years? I am pretty sure Iowa is 3-1 with a narrow loss to Florida where we got screwed on phantom offsides on Greenway when we recovered the onside kick.

I like Herbie but expect a lot more out of him than comments like that. Hopefully OSU has some additional sanctions coming for running such a dirty program the past decade.
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Big 10 fans have to be the most insecure fanbase out there, as evidenced by the above.

Herbstreit owes absolutely nothing to the Big 10 or its fans. He was asked for an opinion, and he gave an honest answer. I agree with him. Based on today's Big 10 defenses, Meyer's offense would walk all over most, except probably MSU and Penn St. IF Meyer had his offense in place and played Iowa this year, or even next, it wouldn't shock me to see OSU hang 45+ on the hawks.

I applaud Herbstreit for giving his honest opinion. I mean, afterall, he is a national college football analyst. I wouldn't expect him, nor want him, to be a shill for the Big 10. Make the conference and its teams earn it.
 
fufred said:
SEC defenses are superior to the B10's. The talent on Alabama and LSU is nuts. The amount of NFLers they've put out in the last 10 years is crazy. The biggest difference is on the DL, speed off the edge and the massive DT's.
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Spot on and well said fred.


Many people thought the LSU / Bama game a few weeks ago stunk due to the low score. I thought it was a brilliant game to watch, especially if you appreciate good defense. IMO, that was one of, if not the, best game of the year.
 
So the Big10 is able to split games with the SEC in the SEC backyard, with the SEC never coming to play in B1G country and I am supposed to be impressed?

B1G does just fine vs. SEC style, and Urban Meyer won't change that a bit.
 
cjhawks said:
Big 10 fans have to be the most insecure fanbase out there, as evidenced by the above.

Herbstreit owes absolutely nothing to the Big 10 or its fans. He was asked for an opinion, and he gave an honest answer. I agree with him. Based on today's Big 10 defenses, Meyer's offense would walk all over most, except probably MSU and Penn St. IF Meyer had his offense in place and played Iowa this year, or even next, it wouldn't shock me to see OSU hang 45+ on the hawks.

I applaud Herbstreit for giving his honest opinion. I mean, afterall, he is a national college football analyst. I wouldn't expect him, nor want him, to be a shill for the Big 10. Make the conference and its teams earn it.
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I don't see how it is insecure to point out the facts and how there is a media bias towards the SEC which creates a perception that the SEC is so much better than other conferences. What the SEC has had the past few years is the best team in college football, this does not mean that the conference as a whole is better.

Alabama and LSU defenses are pretty darn good this year but the other teams in the SEC don't have Alabama and LSU's defense. so to say that the SEC's defenses are so much better than the big ten's or Big 12's teams based on two teams is stupid.
 
David79 said:
The SEC is better than everyone perception comes from their dominance in BCS championship games but if you look at BCS Bowls besides the championship game the Big Ten has done better. Which to me shows that while lately the SEC has had the best team in the country it doesn't mean they have the deepest and best conference in the country. I think the Big 12 and Big Ten are just as deep and talented. They just don't have that one really great team like the SEC has had the past few years.

Non championship BCS bowl appearances:
SEC 14 Big Ten 20

At large BCS Bids:
SEC 7 Big Ten 10

Number of different teams that have received BCS Bowl Bids:
SEC 7 Big Ten 7
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How does this show that the Big Ten has done better? All this says is that the Big Ten gets teams to the BCS bowls. Big deal. We don't WIN very many of them.

The SEC is better, plain and simple. I applaud Herbie for being objective. Guys like Fowler are the ones who p*ss me off all the time. But Herbie will be the first in line to give the Big Ten props if they deserve it. That's what makes him the best at what he does.
 
theboat said:
So the Big10 is able to split games with the SEC in the SEC backyard, with the SEC never coming to play in B1G country and I am supposed to be impressed?

B1G does just fine vs. SEC style, and Urban Meyer won't change that a bit.
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This.

Do SEC teams typically have more explosive talent at the DL positions than Big 10 teams? Sure, but that hasn't translated to a bunch of wins against the Big 10.

If the SEC defenses are so superior to the big 10's why do they only have a barely over .500 record against them the last decade?
 
tm3308 said:
How does this show that the Big Ten has done better? All this says is that the Big Ten gets teams to the BCS bowls. Big deal. We don't WIN very many of them.

The SEC is better, plain and simple. I applaud Herbie for being objective. Guys like Fowler are the ones who p*ss me off all the time. But Herbie will be the first in line to give the Big Ten props if they deserve it. That's what makes him the best at what he does.
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The Big 10 hasn't won many NC games. They've done fine in the other BCS bowls, except for Michigan who has really stunk up the joint in big time bowl games lately.
 
WindyCityHawkI said:
They asked Herbstreit if he thought that Meyer's offense he ran at Florida would work at Ohio St and he said "He will probably feel like he is playing against scout team defenses in the Big 10, I expect that his offesne will be good and probably even dominate."
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Just like RichRod's offenses that dominated the B10? At the end of the day, dominating in the B10 on offense is about the big boys on the o-line. The only thing I know about October and November weather in the B10 is that it is going to be different every week and I'll take a line like several of the recent OSU lines, the 2002 or 2009 Iowa line or the 2010 Wisconsin line over any scheme when I'm rolling into Ann Arbor, East Lansing, IC, Lincoln, Madison or State Penn when its 33 degrees with a 20 mile per hour wind and sleet is falling. Hell, maybe I'm a homer but I don't think any team from the SEC could have rolled into IC the night we beat PSU in 2008 and walked out of there with a win.
 
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