Hearing that Beathard did NOT break the circle of trust

[PhoenixHawk]

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^ Thirded. I really wish CJB would have gotten some more reps this year, as I think a lot of his play - like the slow start at Purdue - were more a case of nerves and lack of comfort out there. You get that with experience. We've seen pretty much the same thing from JR for two years now. Wouldn't hurt to see if CJB can progress further than he has.

 

[PCHawk]

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^ Thirded. I really wish CJB would have gotten some more reps this year, as I think a lot of his play - like the slow start at Purdue - were more a case of nerves and lack of comfort out there. You get that with experience. We've seen pretty much the same thing from JR for two years now. Wouldn't hurt to see if CJB can progress further than he has.

Honestly the Purdue game was morr about dropped passes than nerves. Pretty much every drive that stalled outside of field goal range was due to a dropped pass.

 

[GrandpaHawk]

Like I have said before our 7-5 record isn't because of our personnel its the lack of using our personnel.The fans understand it, coaches don't. If I don't see any changes in the Bowl game my 3 season tickets won't be renewed. We all have seen what Jake can and can't do, so give CJ a chance. It sad that it's taking the coaches this long to see it ( if they do).

 

[DDThompson]

If CJ plays and yes it is a big IF, than I'm hoping CJ lights it up and plays out of his mind on Jan 2nd and makes KF look like a complete A$$.

That angle has already been covered. It's "the Nebraska Result" that openex up the QB spot. That's what Ft Kinnick is saying.

JR had done what KF wanted until that game. /sarcasm

 

[CPHAWK82]

Honestly the Purdue game was morr about dropped passes than nerves. Pretty much every drive that stalled outside of field goal range was due to a dropped pass.

Very true. Felt like a 10 yard completion was like parting the Red Sea in that game. CJ would of started getting into a flow much sooner.

 

[Hawke]

Jeebus, ask a logical question and "jercure" thumbs it down. (if that name doesn't scream troll, what does?) Jon has since gone back and edited his post making my question moot.

After listening to JDM's latest podcast, he indicated that the interview with the Tennesseean was not through the SIDs office. Apparently it was, afterall.

jercure stalked my posting history just to thumbs down everything until he got bored. He really hurt my e-feelings with his spiteful behavior. I must have been doing something right.

 

[gohawkz]

Like I have said before our 7-5 record isn't because of our personnel its the lack of using our personnel.The fans understand it, coaches don't. If I don't see any changes in the Bowl game my 3 season tickets won't be renewed. We all have seen what Jake can and can't do, so give CJ a chance. It sad that it's taking the coaches this long to see it ( if they do).

Some years 7-5 means mediocre. With this schedule, it means pathetic. Anybody who thinks that Ferentz has done well this year either isn't an Iowa fan and is just trolling or the most stupid person that you would ever meet.

Dear God, I hope they are all trolls because if an actual Iowa fan is happy with this season they should not be walking around and driving cars and such.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

related to last week's interview with The Tennessean. When I wrote the write up last week, I explained the protocols for media requests and left the door open for that possibility. Although I doubted protocols were followed, give The Des Moines REgistered requested to speak with CJB and were denied, according to them.

Beathard went through Iowa Sports Information for the interview and didn't go lone wolf on that one..I discussed the protocols and possibilities in my item last week:



This is a 'good' thing IMO as it gives me more hope that there is a bridge for CJB to walk back across.

Also, with Davis saying today that both QB's will play in 1Q and 2Q, and that the thing is wide opened based on Nebraska performance....it also gives me some hope that CJB could earn this thing...because it pretty much took em 13 games to realize they don't have a #1 yet? As a friend said, what does it tell you if your clear #1 for the entire season isn't your clear #1 for the bowl game.

Yeah, that doesn't bode well for JR IMO unless CJB just underperforms in practices and the game.

Great post. Er...not so much.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Some years 7-5 means mediocre. With this schedule, it means pathetic. Anybody who thinks that Ferentz has done well this year either isn't an Iowa fan and is just trolling or the most stupid person that you would ever meet.

Dear God, I hope they are all trolls because if an actual Iowa fan is happy with this season they should not be walking around and driving cars and such.

Nobody is happy with 7-5. The "break" appears to be where the problem lies. Those who think it is all on the QB, and those who know it's not....

 

[hawkeyebob62]

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^ Thirded. I really wish CJB would have gotten some more reps this year, as I think a lot of his play - like the slow start at Purdue - were more a case of nerves and lack of comfort out there. You get that with experience. We've seen pretty much the same thing from JR for two years now. Wouldn't hurt to see if CJB can progress further than he has.

Purdue a case of "nerves"? He had zero to lose. He wasn't going to be yanked. He played "okay".

Those thinking he will "light it up" seem to forget who our OC is. They seem to forget that bad scheming an play-calling are equal-opportunity to both QBs.

I don't care WHO starts or plays. I just hope whoever it is gets some cogent assistance from the sidelines and the booth. If it's what we saw for most of the season, we could line Winston or Mariota up at QB and things wouldn't be much different, save for a lot more QB rushing yards.

 

[deanvogs]

Honestly the Purdue game was morr about dropped passes than nerves. Pretty much every drive that stalled outside of field goal range was due to a dropped pass.

This is it. CJ should have won the job with his performance at Purdue....it would have been a great day, if 7 passes weren't dropped. Even with all the drops it was a very solid first game.

We had zero running game this year. Instead of going all Tate in 2004, KF decided to go all JVB in 2012.....it made zero freaking sense. Should have put in the gunner in CJ and let the cards fall where they may. At least go down guns a blazing....

 

[hawkeyebob62]

This is it. CJ should have won the job with his performance at Purdue....it would have been a great day, if 7 passes weren't dropped. Even with all the drops it was a very solid first game.

We had zero running game this year. Instead of going all Tate in 2004, KF decided to go all JVB in 2012.....it made zero freaking sense. Should have put in the gunner in CJ and let the cards fall where they may. At least go down guns a blazing....

Saying CJ should have won the job with his performance at Purdue is akin to saying Christensen should have taken the job from Tate against NIU in 2006.

It wasn't supposed to be an audition. It was #2 filling in for an injured #1.

Not ranking on CJ. But QB is not the problem. It's way down the list.

Note that even after CJ went deep against Pitt, the run game was spotty against Purdue. That leads me to believe schemes and play calls were a bigger problem. CJ will have to go off-******. Frankly, that's my biggest knock on JR. If the play-calling sucks, audible or check out to what you want, not to what an incompetent OC devises.

 

[deanvogs]

Saying CJ should have won the job with his performance at Purdue is akin to saying Christensen should have taken the job from Tate against NIU in 2006.

It wasn't supposed to be an audition. It was #2 filling in for an injured #1.

Not ranking on CJ. But QB is not the problem. It's way down the list.

Note that even after CJ went deep against Pitt, the run game was spotty against Purdue. That leads me to believe schemes and play calls were a bigger problem. CJ will have to go off-******. Frankly, that's my biggest knock on JR. If the play-calling sucks, audible or check out to what you want, not to what an incompetent OC devises.

I was unaware that it was an open competition between Jake and Tate in 2006. I didn't know that going into the spring and then the fall camp that the QB positions was up for grabs. I didn't know that Jake was getting a few series in the first few games of the year in 2006. To pretend that those 2 situation are the same is just pure ignorant bliss.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I was unaware that it was an open competition between Jake and Tate in 2006. I didn't know that going into the spring and then the fall camp that the QB positions was up for grabs. I didn't know that Jake was getting a few series in the first few games of the year in 2006. To pretend that those 2 situation are the same is just pure ignorant bliss.

That's my point, it was NOT a competition. In either case.

JR won the job in 2013 and 2014. One can certainly argue the merits, but based on the Purdue game, CJ was clearly not in "He took the job!" mode. Probably for the same reason Jake doesn't go more off-******. Not a case of "nerves", but a case of listening to the OC and not going to the other position coaches or the HC and voicing concerns.

Again, that's JRs biggest problem, IMO. He needs to speak out/up. The Maryland game, especially post-Weisman TD drive, should never have happened.

 

[DDThompson]

QB is a problem because it looks like the most talented player isn't playing. Same thing can be said at RB. Same thing for WR.

The OL was a problem. Some of that is due to 2of the 3 mentioned above. The LBs weren't good most of the year and DBs were inconsistent. Other programs that are inconsistent on defense try to make up for it on the other side of the ball where they can be aggressive and hit opponent's weak spots.

 

[deanvogs]

That's my point, it was NOT a competition. In either case.

JR won the job in 2013 and 2014. One can certainly argue the merits, but based on the Purdue game, CJ was clearly not in "He took the job!" mode. Probably for the same reason Jake doesn't go more off-******. Not a case of "nerves", but a case of listening to the OC and not going to the other position coaches or the HC and voicing concerns.

Again, that's JRs biggest problem, IMO. He needs to speak out/up. The Maryland game, especially post-Weisman TD drive, should never have happened.

In my mind JR's biggest problem is he doesn't see the field well enough. He is super smart, and he nearly always goes with is pre snap read, and it leads him to miss wide open guys on the field.

If you looked at JR's performance in the UNI, ISU, Ball St. game and the first half of Pitt, he wasn't playing that great, and he was a returning starter. He shouldn't struggle like that with a years experience. CJ on the other had led Iowa to it's biggest comeback on the road in the 2nd half half of the KF era, and then just takes care of business in the Purdue game. That was his first start and he looked at least as good as JR did in JR's 14th, 15th, 16th, and 17th start. If you can immediately look just as good as the guy with experience, I'd say that means you have more upside. The experienced guy should always be bringing more to the positions (whatever position it is) than the new guy is......but JR wasn't doing that.

 

[ForeverHawk]

Purdue a case of "nerves"? He had zero to lose. He wasn't going to be yanked. He played "okay".

Those thinking he will "light it up" seem to forget who our OC is. They seem to forget that bad scheming an play-calling are equal-opportunity to both QBs.

I don't care WHO starts or plays. I just hope whoever it is gets some cogent assistance from the sidelines and the booth. If it's what we saw for most of the season, we could line Winston or Mariota up at QB and things wouldn't be much different, save for a lot more QB rushing yards.

Except that is seems CJ is more aggressive at looking and throwing downfield, whereas Jake is content throwing the 2-3 yards outs and not moving the chains. Play calling could be better, but the QB has choices of receivers to throw to and Jake rarely threw down field, Beathard did in limited playing time.

 

[PCHawk]

That's my point, it was NOT a competition. In either case.

JR won the job in 2013 and 2014. One can certainly argue the merits, but based on the Purdue game, CJ was clearly not in "He took the job!" mode. Probably for the same reason Jake doesn't go more off-******. Not a case of "nerves", but a case of listening to the OC and not going to the other position coaches or the HC and voicing concerns.

Again, that's JRs biggest problem, IMO. He needs to speak out/up. The Maryland game, especially post-Weisman TD drive, should never have happened.

He actually was in "he took the job" mode. Watch the game again. He did everything Rudock can't do and he did everything Rudock can do, better.

I remember 1 drive got stalled by a 3rd and 1 run by Weisman getting stuffed. Other than that, I'm pretty sure every single drive on the day got inside field goal range or had a dropped pass.

In fact, other than the pick 6, has there been 1 drive stall because of a bad pass by CJ? How many drives have stalled out this year because Rudock missed a wide open receiver?

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

CJ simply stated..."Hey...Kirk...how 'bout a little sompin...you know...for the effort??"

It's all very interesting.

 

[Tierney]

He actually was in "he took the job" mode. Watch the game again. He did everything Rudock can't do and he did everything Rudock can do, better.

I remember 1 drive got stalled by a 3rd and 1 run by Weisman getting stuffed. Other than that, I'm pretty sure every single drive on the day got inside field goal range or had a dropped pass.

In fact, other than the pick 6, has there been 1 drive stall because of a bad pass by CJ? How many drives have stalled out this year because Rudock missed a wide open receiver?

It probably boils down to who the more conservative quarterback is.