thejumper5
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Western Kentucky's leading rusher has 261 carries on the season. Their #2 RB has 21.
Hawkeyes the only team in FBS that.....
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thejumper5
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Here's a list of teams whose top RB has at least 200 carries on the year. These teams have at least a 10:1 ratio of rushes between their 1st and 2nd RBs:
Buffalo (45:1 ratio)
UCONN
Fresno State
Utah
These teams have a slightly more balance.
Washington is at 207:22
North Texas is at 215:46
Temple is at 203:99
Buffalo (45:1 ratio)
UCONN
Fresno State
Utah
These teams have a slightly more balance.
Washington is at 207:22
North Texas is at 215:46
Temple is at 203:99
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hawkfaninTX
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Now we are breaking down how many carries our back gets?
I mean I'm a stat guy- I love making the numbers make sense. I think if we tried to give the carries elsewhere it would come back to haunt us.
I wish we could have a 3rd and long / 2 minute drill back out of the shotgun formation. Having that back that could line up, or motion into the slot (we have at least 2 that could)- would bring 8-10 carries a game and 10-15 plays off for Coker. The reason we don't is because 6-8 touches for Coker is 40-55 yards (or 10-15% of your yardage per game). You're lucky get 20-30 yards out of a different back.
In the business world, people lose their job over 10% production loss. In this case, I think the coaches think that means, potentially 1 less TD (Coker basically gets 1 TD for every 10 carries) & 30 less yards per game! That could be add up to a few first downs!
**Think the moneyball approach
I mean I'm a stat guy- I love making the numbers make sense. I think if we tried to give the carries elsewhere it would come back to haunt us.
I wish we could have a 3rd and long / 2 minute drill back out of the shotgun formation. Having that back that could line up, or motion into the slot (we have at least 2 that could)- would bring 8-10 carries a game and 10-15 plays off for Coker. The reason we don't is because 6-8 touches for Coker is 40-55 yards (or 10-15% of your yardage per game). You're lucky get 20-30 yards out of a different back.
In the business world, people lose their job over 10% production loss. In this case, I think the coaches think that means, potentially 1 less TD (Coker basically gets 1 TD for every 10 carries) & 30 less yards per game! That could be add up to a few first downs!
**Think the moneyball approach
skinnykilmer17
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Jewell Hampton rushed 91x for 463 yards and 7 touchdowns in Greene's breakout season.
This is one of the things I don't understand about KF. For weeks last year he kept saying he had to get Coker some carries. What happened? He really only got carries after Robinson suffered a concussion in the 4th quarter against Michigan St. A game he didn't need to be in. Excellent article by Rob Howe below.
Adam Robinson Injured? | Hawkeye Nation
During a three game stretch last year that included Penn St., Michigan, and Wisconsin, Howe points out that Adam Robinson had more carries than any other running back in FBS. Marcus Coker had ZERO carries during that stretch.
KF has also eluded to wanting to get the other backs more involved this season. But again he really hasn't. Why? If he feels the need to do it then just do it. Does he not make that in-game decision? Coach's ****** their first 10 or 20 plays. If he struggles with in-game decisions then why can't he just decide Back A will start the 4th or 5th or 6th series of downs. ?
I don't want to hear the argument that the other backs aren't ready or there was never a good time during the game given the situation. If you continuously run Coker 30+ times a game then your backup will suddenly be forced into a situation anyway because very few backs can sustain that workload before suffering an injury unfortunately. See Adam Robinson. Note Ed Podolak's comments in Howe's article.
I just don't agree with KF's recent use of running backs. Nothing wrong with keeping your #1 guy fresh, not to mention giving the defenders a new look to deal with.
Here's what I wonder: Let's say Iowa puts in Canzeri for one or two plays. Don't run him, just a couple of short passing plays, picking up a few yards. Or run him for one of two plays. Maybe he picks up a couple. Hopefully you're on third and short or first down. Bring Coker back in. Opponent thinks you're gonna run it, instead do play action pass deep.
I would think something to that affect would fool defenses and a play action pass after Coker coming back in would be effective.
I would think something to that affect would fool defenses and a play action pass after Coker coming back in would be effective.
ColoradoHAWKEYE
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last two posts, spot on. get another guy in the game, if just for the different look. it will be a very frustrating point if we are to lose any of our upcoming games.
I have thought along the same lines, misdirection. I would like to see the younger guys atleast get to get out there, but you need to do something where you not putting to much in danger. Problem is misdirection plays are not played much and there fore have a better chance of blowing up in your face. What we really need to do is stay on the gas and create some mop up time.
The next 3 are very important games, unless something happens, I doubt anybody wants to start trying to mix it up now. If it didnt work you all would blow up and start calling for heads again.
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dmShortSaledude
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KF only plays players with experience. We don't have any RBs with experience. It will be great when AIRBHG strikes, having no RB with experience....
I would love to see another RB get some carries. Experience matters. We are Iowa, AIRBHG will hit again. It has been since game one.... He is as overdue to strike as a major California earthquake.
Seriously tho, Rogers deserves more credit. A LOT more credit.
I would love to see another RB get some carries. Experience matters. We are Iowa, AIRBHG will hit again. It has been since game one.... He is as overdue to strike as a major California earthquake.
Seriously tho, Rogers deserves more credit. A LOT more credit.
PJHawk
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Ga Tech vs Kansas - 11 RB's, 50 carries, 604 yards.
For the season they have 17 guys (includes QB's) that have carried the ball, 7 of them have over a 100 yards rushing.
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Coker has the most yards of any RB in the Big Ten. Iowa is 10th in the Big Ten in rushing. That is the problem with only having one back. Part of that has to do with the amount of passing we have done. But the running game could improve with another back, McCall when he is totally healthy to play in a game.
Yes, because we know that a coach’s job is to cater to the whims of the fans.
You ever stop to think that maybe McCall isn't quite 100% yet? He was cleared to practice the Wednesday before the Minnesota game. Do you really want to rush him back before he is ready?
Yep, change for the sake of change. That makes sense.
Has it ever occurred to you that it’s a little risky to put a guy with little experience in when the game is on the line? Yeah the trend these days is going to a 2 back system, but it wasn’t long ago players used to carry the vast majority of the load and teams still had success.
Nope.
hawkfan2679
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So what happens when Ferentz keeps Coker in the game too long and he takes a shot that knocks him out for a week? Instead of easing a guy in by giving him a few carries a game, whether it's DeAndre Johnson, Jordan Canzeri, or a 100% McCall, you now have to rely on him to play every single snap.
It would just be change for the sake of change...it would be change to try to reduce, even if only by a few, the amount of hits Coker takes in a game.
I'm all for getting McCall 8 carries or so if he is 100%. I'm not even against the other guys getting a few, but the games we have played the last couple of weeks have been a little too tight for me to be excited about putting a backup in. It all depends on how the coaches feel the line is doing in a given game. If we're getting a really good push, sure. If not, I want the guy who can make something of nothing and has the experience.
Dragonhawk
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this is getting old, just checked ESPN, and looked up the top 10 rusher plus Redd of PSU who until this last weekend was the leading rusher, the stats are pretty interesting.the top 10 as follows carries on the season;
1st 199 total
2nd 187 total
3rd 261 total
4th 134 total
5th 211 total these are Coker's #'s
6th 207 total
7th 184 total
8th 211 total
9th 172 total
10th 162 total
15th 195 total, these are Silas Redds #'s
by looking at these #'s it looks like Coker is not getting worked to death, there is one at 261 which figure out to be a little under 33 carries per game. now if you look at Coker's carries it figures out to a little over 23.5 carries per game, you really want to cut down on Coker's carries by a 3rd and only get him 16 touches a game?
before you think about him being overworked you need to take into account Time of Possesion, you have to have the ball to get the carries, later when i have time i will look up the TOP and number of total plays per game
also to consider is the fact we do not have a running QB and most of the other teams in the conference do
1st 199 total
2nd 187 total
3rd 261 total
4th 134 total
5th 211 total these are Coker's #'s
6th 207 total
7th 184 total
8th 211 total
9th 172 total
10th 162 total
15th 195 total, these are Silas Redds #'s
by looking at these #'s it looks like Coker is not getting worked to death, there is one at 261 which figure out to be a little under 33 carries per game. now if you look at Coker's carries it figures out to a little over 23.5 carries per game, you really want to cut down on Coker's carries by a 3rd and only get him 16 touches a game?
before you think about him being overworked you need to take into account Time of Possesion, you have to have the ball to get the carries, later when i have time i will look up the TOP and number of total plays per game
also to consider is the fact we do not have a running QB and most of the other teams in the conference do
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