Hawkeyes Gamefilm: Vandenberg vs Purdue
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I found this part to be spot on, not just because I felt this way after the game:
Golfer
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It's spot on, but to blame the not converting on the play call is a stretch. I watched the play several times, JVB didn't look down field after a first glance.
On another play, JVB was ripped for missing a receiver on the go route. He correctly read single coverage at the line, the go route went, except the receive fell down at the line of scrimmage. That's not on him, or the play calling either. Not sure what HGF said about this one. I'll read through his brief again.
I'm sure this will give ammunition to those that are blaming the lack of success this season on coaching and play calling, but I'm not sure there is close to enough evidence to make that point.
On another play, JVB was ripped for missing a receiver on the go route. He correctly read single coverage at the line, the go route went, except the receive fell down at the line of scrimmage. That's not on him, or the play calling either. Not sure what HGF said about this one. I'll read through his brief again.
I'm sure this will give ammunition to those that are blaming the lack of success this season on coaching and play calling, but I'm not sure there is close to enough evidence to make that point.
hawkeyegamefilm
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You talking about the play to Tavaun Smith where he slipped after trying to beat press? If so, yeah that was on the receiver. JVB did his job and lobbed the ball out here. I didn't ding him for that throw. That play pretty much was Iowa's passing game this season in an nutshell tho.
Eh, I didn't totally let him off the hook. "The issue here is JVB didn’t look inside where CJF had created separation." I didn't give JVB a total pass, but I really disliked that play call. There was a play to be made there with CJF open, but it'd be throwing into a lot of traffic over and has a decent chance of being batted down.
Iowa definitely didn't lose the game on that single play call and there were a couple of very well timed play-calls in this game. Iowa even completed most of it's passes from the 5WR set that they'd be awful from most of the year. Hit an alert slant from it and the tunnel screen play call was well timed. Only thing I blame primarily on the scheme is the lack of a vertical passing game.
Golfer
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I'm reading you HGF, my comments are more about what I've seen posted here on HN, and what I heard in the stadium.
The go route where Smith slipped was a TD I thought. I'm not an expert, but it did look like JVB picked this up at the line to me.
Where I was shocked was your observations about o line play. I surely thought JVB was pressured and rushed quite a lot on Saturday.
Unlike Eddie P, I do use binos, and I key in on the line, and on the QB calling signals. Right after the snap I don't use binos, but I miss seeing all 12 defenders pre-snap. Knowing when to bino in, and when to put away is an art.
The go route where Smith slipped was a TD I thought. I'm not an expert, but it did look like JVB picked this up at the line to me.
Where I was shocked was your observations about o line play. I surely thought JVB was pressured and rushed quite a lot on Saturday.
Unlike Eddie P, I do use binos, and I key in on the line, and on the QB calling signals. Right after the snap I don't use binos, but I miss seeing all 12 defenders pre-snap. Knowing when to bino in, and when to put away is an art.
hawkfarmer
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No wonder we can't score any stinking points!
Golfer
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My bad. Although on one play they only had 10.
hawkeyegamefilm
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Honestly it surprised me as well. Live speed I was sure they had been dominated up and down the field. They definitely weren't good, but no where near as bad as I originally believed. Short was the only guy that really man-handled them, and he did it to ALL of them. Guy is a special talent, a notch or two more gifted than Jerel Worthy from Michigan St who was a 2nd rounder last year. Other than him it was really the secondary players who made the TFLs and disrupted plays. CBs came free on blitzes way too often vs both the run and pass. Purdue was in ultra-aggressive mode and Iowa had no answers. It's what Minnesota did to them in the 2nd half of their game and Purdue followed in their footsteps.
Golfer
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The one thing I'd like to hear you say, is that GD has called the games closer the KoK recently, and gone away from his offense. It sure seems like he is adjusted to talent, and lack of to me.
Earlier this season it was really a horizontal game, mostly designed I thought to open up the run. As of late, it seems to me to be more of our old offense. For obvious reasons.
Maybe I'm off base.
I guess I accepted that we're just not that good, had some bad breaks, and it's not play calling. I hope that's all there is to it. There's some other things also. Having competed at the D3 level, albeit a different sport, how a team comes together in the locker room at the college level is important. More important I'd speculate than the professional levels.
I've seen it down in IC before. The first Orange Bowl year the players would come out and grab a brat or burger. Respectful. Yes sir. Thank you sir. When we had out fist downward trend, some would come out and grab a beer. We were shocked. Now I don't see them at all. KF probably put an end to it, which I agree with if that is the case.
Earlier this season it was really a horizontal game, mostly designed I thought to open up the run. As of late, it seems to me to be more of our old offense. For obvious reasons.
Maybe I'm off base.
I guess I accepted that we're just not that good, had some bad breaks, and it's not play calling. I hope that's all there is to it. There's some other things also. Having competed at the D3 level, albeit a different sport, how a team comes together in the locker room at the college level is important. More important I'd speculate than the professional levels.
I've seen it down in IC before. The first Orange Bowl year the players would come out and grab a brat or burger. Respectful. Yes sir. Thank you sir. When we had out fist downward trend, some would come out and grab a beer. We were shocked. Now I don't see them at all. KF probably put an end to it, which I agree with if that is the case.
racerhawk
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It's depressing to know that one's success comes when the other team puts 10 dudes on the field.
hawkeyegamefilm
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You're not imagining it. There have been a number of KOK staples that have shown up over the last couple of weeks. Iowa's big completion deep over the middle to KMM against Indiana was a play I call the scissor route. JVB under-threw him there & it could have been a TD. I detailed the play last year here: Link KMM is where McNutt was lined up in that diagram and there was no motion, but the route combo was the same.
Iowa has also run a number of other KOK classics: Double stick, PA bootleg w/slow-block out+drag+over, curl flat, and a few others. The PA boot game was the one that stuck out as a pronounced adjustment to me.
I would say Davis has abandoned his offense, but he's definitely augmented it with more typical, pro style plays as the year has worn on.
PhoenixHawk
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HGF, could you give us your assessment of CJF? There are two bodies of thought on the site. One is that he is often open, catches what is thrown his way better than most of our receivers, and is very underutilized. The other (more prevalent) is that he can't block, drops everything, and never gets any separation from coverage. I don't think you've ever really done a TE analysis, and i don't remember them getting much mention in you offensive skill player pieces.
