HawkeyeGameFilm takes an In Depth Look at Iowa Passing game

[CAARHawk]

OLine timing. It's a scheme that is dependent on timing and orchestrated movement. Bye week came at a good time.

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Have you watched much football? Teams get out of synch when they don't play. Did you see the Seahawks on MNF? Bye weeks are good for healing, they are bad for rhythm.

Now, if the problem is a fundamentals thing, maybe they could have gotten some work done there, but traditionally bye weeks for KF involve getting more reps for subs and letting starters get over dings. The team often looks rusty coming out of them.

 

[BirdsOfPrey]

I read that the Hawks only had 9 successful plays in the first four games that "stretched" the field. In the Purdue game, there were 8 of those plays. Stats say the QB's are pretty close, but Beathard seemed to "stretch" the defense much more. There were at least a half dozen dropped passes that could have added to that total too. Visually, it looked like there were more running lanes for Iowa's rushers. It also seemed to me that Beathard gets the ball out to the receivers much quicker on short routes giving them more time to make positive yardage or spring a big play.

 

[deanvogs]

Have you watched much football? Teams get out of synch when they don't play. Did you see the Seahawks on MNF? Bye weeks are good for healing, they are bad for rhythm.

Now, if the problem is a fundamentals thing, maybe they could have gotten some work done there, but traditionally bye weeks for KF involve getting more reps for subs and letting starters get over dings. The team often looks rusty coming out of them.

Iowa didn't look rusty coming out of bye week against Ohio St. last year. It was one of JR's most impressive passing days last year, and they got 4.8 YPC on the groung

 

[cecilB]

Have you watched much football? Teams get out of synch when they don't play. Did you see the Seahawks on MNF? Bye weeks are good for healing, they are bad for rhythm.

Now, if the problem is a fundamentals thing, maybe they could have gotten some work done there, but traditionally bye weeks for KF involve getting more reps for subs and letting starters get over dings. The team often looks rusty coming out of them.

Yes I watch football, and a lot of Iowa Football. And, I spent 5 years behind the walls of Fort Kinnick as some like to call it, thus I do know what is worked during off weeks.

 

[hawkfan340]

We debate because it passes the time before our team plays again, and because the team rushes for 3.64 yd/carry with JR., 3.5 something wit CJ. Both pretty dang dismal, and not much of a difference. The QB stats are pretty indistinguishable too. The only difference so far is one throws harder, and one has more proven experience. That can be good.

FWIW, not much will convince me this position is what's holding the O back. I agree with Ferentz that we have two good ones. I think we have a very favorable situation as we head into the meat of the schedule. One has already been knocked out of a game...it certainly could happen again. I also think this dismal rushing average will improve, and it won't be because of who is under center..That's all.

The question we were debating was about how each QB effected the running game (which I think is distinguishable and you think is not). You go too far to extrapolate your position to the bolded, however. Points and yards per pass attempt are significantly higher under CJB. Overall, the offense is performing much better when he is in the game.

Points are what matter.

 

[LG210]

Anybody have any idea on how the QBs stack up in red zone efficiency?

 

[cecilB]

Anybody have any idea on how the QBs stack up in red zone efficiency?

Don't have time to look up, but I'm guessing it's CJ.... We had way too many missed FG early, and in two of those times, TE drops on 3rd down inside the 10 yd line. If we converted, probably pretty indistinguishable. Just guessing.

 

[LG210]

Does anybody know how the QBs compare on 2nd and 7 or longer?

 

[ICHawk24]

Does anyone know how the QBs compare on 3rd and 3? How about 2nd and 8? How about handoffs to the boundary?

 

[cecilB]

Does anyone know how the QBs compare on 3rd and 3? How about 2nd and 8? How about handoffs to the boundary?

teh offensive staff does

 

[OkstHawk]

Except for the little fact we have a slightly better rushing avg per run when Jake is under center. I don't get your argument.

No one is denying CJB has a more lively arm, stats don't reveal he's more effective.

I understand I'm in the rare camp in that I like them both, I expect the run game to get a bit better, both QBs to get better, and our D to continue being stingy.

They have a chance to pick up some mo, rest and recover, and get ready for a 5 game November.

If you want to nitpick our biggest weakness is out punt game. When the Hawks are at their best they control field position

What...did you look at the stats? The production at running back is better when CJB is in the game and we average 50 yards more per game from our RBs when he is at the helm. Not sure what you're looking at. Maybe if you figure in the QB runs, however that stat I think is fairly deceiving seeing as how JR tucks and runs quite a bit more when his first option is covered while CJB stays in the pocket and attempts to make an actual play.

 

[RocknRollface]

What this analysis shows more than anything is a fan base's infatuation with the back up QB. Nothing new, just the way it is.

I like both QBs. If the run game begins to click, both will have better numbers.

Get serious.

 

[RocknRollface]

That's nitpicking. We can slice these these things anyway we want. CJB isn't andrew luck in college... Very little difference b/w CJ and JR. as there are stats and reasons to back both up...despite the vocal opinions of some.

Our season will ride on D, balanced o, and error free ball. Penalties are under control... What will make it potentially what we all want is big plays on D(TOs and points), and advantages on special teams... It's probably not the qb position. I know this will fall on deaf ears

There is big difference and it's clearly not that hard to see.

 

[hwk23]

So I did the math based on HGF's figures. Only 21% of Rudock's attempts are either medium or deep (the rest are short or behind the LOS). That's about 8 out of 10 throws short or behind the LOS for Rudock. Whereas 37% of CJ's throws are medium or deep (10+ yards). That's a big difference. Does anybody know what's normal for this? I'm guessing Rudock's % is way below normal and CJ's % is about the norm.

 

[LG210]

Does anyone know how the QBs compare on 3rd and 3? How about 2nd and 8? How about handoffs to the boundary?

All good questions.

 

[BirdsOfPrey]

The Hawks strive to run a balanced offense - 55% run & 45% pass or thereabouts. If Rudock only throws downfield 21% of the time, that's 21% of the 45% of the time we pass the ball. Not going to do the math, but that means for every 100 plays Iowa runs only 15 or so will target gains of over 10 yards. Down and distance (third & long) tell any defense when the majority of those throws will occur and our formations tip off many of the rest. If a 70% 3rd down conversion rate would satisfy most coaches, Iowa operating at peak offensive efficiency with Rudock will sting a defense for 10 yard gains 4 or 5 plays a game at most and the defense will know when to expect those plays. Stack the box & shut down 4/5ths of Iowa's plays and the pressure every game is on Iowa's offense to perform. Rudock's ability to execute those plays due to arm strength etc. becomes a factor. Iowa has to be able to run the ball successfully for an offense run by Jake to work. Establish a dominant smash mouth ground game and Rudock as QB works great. No ground game and Beathard is Iowa's only chance at success.