Have to ask..has CJ already being "Rudocked" by staff

[ICHawk24]

The coaching staff should be encouraging turnovers. amirite?

 

[hawkdrummer1]

The coaching staff should be encouraging turnovers. amirite?

deep thinker I see

 

[HaydenHawk56]

The coaching staff should be encouraging turnovers. amirite?

No, but to imply not taking calculated chances with a QB who has stronger arm than the guy who left for Wolverine land, is the very defination of risk aversion. It comes off as they want him to be more of game manager and that could mean taking less chances throwing down field and seeing more horizontal crap.

Like Davis has infamously said in the past, "Can't go wrong putting money in the bank." This is exactly what we don't need to see this year with CJ and the offense.

Iowa is going to have to show they can attack down field, or it is going to be blitz city until the oppossing defenses respect our passing game.

Edit: Even if this not the case (or it is the case), I don't think this is the PR you want to put there...taking less risks with the Iowa fan base right now.

 

[Travisam]

The coaching staff should be encouraging turnovers. amirite?

No, they should be encouraging Touchdowns moron. Playing to win, not to, not lose. Throwing touchdowns requires taking some chances. Touchdowns equal points. Turnovers do not equal negative points.

 

[HomerChampless]

James Vandenburg 2011 (before Greg Davis) 25 TDs, 7 INTs

James Vandenburg 2012 (with Greg Davis) 7 TDs, 8 INTs

Any questions?

Way too simplistic of an answer. 2012 was Davis' first season as OC. All players including Vandy had many years to acclimate themselves to KOK's system. Last season, for example, was the 4th best (less than inches from 3rd best) in yards per game of any KF season.

Is Beathard having no turnovers drilled into his head? Of course, all coaches drill that into a QB's head. Will Beathard's play be 'dumbed down' to not take chances? Probably. KF is still the leader of the offense, unfortunately. Also why Daniels has been chosen as starting running back (slow, big, can protect the QB better?) - he's a favorite type of KF running back or at least more so than the unfortunate other guy.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Way too simplistic of an answer. 2012 was Davis' first season as OC. All players including Vandy had many years to acclimate themselves to KOK's system. Last season, for example, was the 4th best (less than inches from 3rd best) in yards per game of any KF season.

Is Beathard having no turnovers drilled into his heads? Of course, all coaches drill that into a QB's head. Will Beathard's play be 'dumbed down' to not take chances? Probably. KF is still the leader of the offense, unfortunately. Also why Daniels has been chosen as starting running back (slow, big, can protect the QB better?) - he's a favorite type of KF running back.

Agreed almost all around. If we add just a minimal amount a vertical threat, it will help dramaticly.

Although I don't think Daniels is slow (maybe not top end speed elite, but if he broke the shuttle and 10 yard burst records, he can't be slow). He's gotta be quick with strong cuts. 10 yard burst, along with power is fantastic, and can be all he needs, but Vision will be key. Burst and power, without vision, just gives you an extra yard or two...if you add vision...it gives you 3-5 extra yards...and that makes all the difference, even without break away speed.

 

[Knight78]

You know what pissses me off the most about that article, KF saying he's perturbed about the 4 first half turnovers in the nebby game. Well Kirk, even with those turnovers your team had a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter, and instead of putting it away...we "avoided turnovers"...and lost the game.

While agree you always want to limit turnovers, and you should even focus on it, the problem is, you can be smartly aggressive and still play against turnovers.

Oline, namely OT, is my biggest concern, closely behind that, is overly conservative offensive gameplan.

You know what you can do while developing you Oline...move the pocket with your mobile QB and run counters to slow down an overly aggressive, blitzing defense.

I think another poster put it best, a "Davis led, KF influenced" offense is not working....

Turnover #1 was a 3rd down interception in the end zone that was returned to the Nebraska 10 yard line. Even if we go incomplete pass, we score 3 points and the game never goes into overtime.

Turnover #2 was a muffed punt that gave Nebraska an extra set of downs. Yes, we stopped them on this but we lost an offensive possession entirely.

Turnover #3 was a 3rd down fumble on the Nebraska 8 yard line. No fumble yields a field goal and the game never goes into overtime. Fortunately for us we get a pick six on Nebraska's possession.

Turnover #4 was a fumble which resulted in an 11 yard return to the Iowa 36 yard line. Four plays later Nebraska scores a touchdown with 47 seconds left in the first half.

Are you sticking with your statement? We lost out on a possible 14 points (a likely 6 points) and allowed a short-field TD. That's a turnaround of at least 13 points and possibly as many as 21 points. I'd say that those four turnovers were very costly... as is EVERY turnover.

 

[Knight78]

No, they should be encouraging Touchdowns moron. Playing to win, not to, not lose. Throwing touchdowns requires taking some chances. Touchdowns equal points. Turnovers do not equal negative points.

Actually, turnovers equal lost points. If you're inside the opponent's 10 yard line, like we were twice when the turnovers occurred in the Nebraska game, that's points you didn't score that definitely should have been.

 

[Knight78]

Way too simplistic of an answer. 2012 was Davis' first season as OC. All players including Vandy had many years to acclimate themselves to KOK's system. Last season, for example, was the 4th best (less than inches from 3rd best) in yards per game of any KF season.

Is Beathard having no turnovers drilled into his head? Of course, all coaches drill that into a QB's head. Will Beathard's play be 'dumbed down' to not take chances? Probably. KF is still the leader of the offense, unfortunately. Also why Daniels has been chosen as starting running back (slow, big, can protect the QB better?) - he's a favorite type of KF running back or at least more so than the unfortunate other guy.

According to Rivals, LeShun Daniels' 40yd dash time is 4.6. Jordan Canzeri's 40yd dash time is 4.5. If Daniels is slow, so is Canzeri.

 

[homes]

You have to remember in 2012 IIRC the hawks were 4-2 and 2-0 in the Big 10 then the debacle against Penn St and losing two best Off linemen lead to no running game and worse pass protection. The hawks had trouble then picking up 3rd and 1. Again if you cant run or have time to throw deep then Davis's short passing game aint working.

Just look what happened mid season of 2010 when the hawks lost their right guard and his replacement was an undersized backup center and they lost their best and most athletic linebacker, tarpinian. Both the offense and defense lost a step with two injuries.

Gulp.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Turnover #1 was a 3rd down interception in the end zone that was returned to the Nebraska 10 yard line. Even if we go incomplete pass, we score 3 points and the game never goes into overtime.

Turnover #2 was a muffed punt that gave Nebraska an extra set of downs. Yes, we stopped them on this but we lost an offensive possession entirely.

Turnover #3 was a 3rd down fumble on the Nebraska 8 yard line. No fumble yields a field goal and the game never goes into overtime. Fortunately for us we get a pick six on Nebraska's possession.

Turnover #4 was a fumble which resulted in an 11 yard return to the Iowa 36 yard line. Four plays later Nebraska scores a touchdown with 47 seconds left in the first half.

Are you sticking with your statement? We lost out on a possible 14 points (a likely 6 points) and allowed a short-field TD. That's a turnaround of at least 13 points and possibly as many as 21 points. I'd say that those four turnovers were very costly... as is EVERY turnover.

Yes. Turnovers are always bad and many time take points off the board. Still doesn't change the fact we gave up a 17 point lead in the 4th. I respect KF, always have, but not 1 but 2 fielded punts lost us that game. 1st one....fine. 2nd one....one the coaches.

While your examples are absolutely accurate, you can likely find multiple missed opportunities in every game. 17 point lead. Yes, I stand by my statement. Losing that game was unacceptable.

3 and outs and bad decisions on punting cost us that game when it was ours to win, every bit as much as 1st half turnovers.