Harbaugh is a tool

[hawkdrummer1]

I also found he gave Ferentz a lot of respect and said nice things during the BIG 10 media days.

of course, everybody does. That's a layup. It's what he says/does when he has options that tell the story...

 

[ChosenChildren]

That's horse pucky.

They may be more subtle about it and do it to a slightly more low key level, but if you think any program out there is clean I have a ski resort in Cuba to sell you.

Just like there are Iowa players who smoke weed, take booster gifts and money, and pressure chicks into sleeping with them. Every single D-1 team has plenty it. The difference is having players savvy enough to keep their mouths shut and stay discreet.

Iowa football and basketball together is a nine figure business. It has nothing to do with grades or school or graduation or sending your boy to that good man in Iowa City Mr Ferentz sir to turn him into a fine young man.

Don't kid us or yourself...kids want to play P5 football to get on TV every week, be hometown heroes, get the highest quality pooty tang on campus, have dudes stare at them in class, and for a small percentage to become millionaires--and if you aren't cheating you aren't trying. There's gold in them there B1G hills and players, coaches and athletic departments are gonna go after it. At the P5 level school is just a technicality; sort of like ISO is for a manufacturer...a bunch of bullshit weighing you down on the way to your ultimate goals; one that you have to put up with and abide by in order for your business to play the game.

Disagree. Ohio State has always taken it to a new level.

 

[Jonrn]

I also found he gave Ferentz a lot of respect and said nice things during the BIG 10 media days.

Saying nice things about ferentz is like petting a puppy. He’s universally well liked, isn’t confrontation and doesn’t coach a nationally dominant team. Bring nice to Kirk doesn’t tell me anything.

 

[ChosenChildren]

Certainly you have to define "cheating" in the college football world. I'm sure there are different levels.

My definition, for what it is worth, is the number of times a school has been put on probation by the NCAA. There is a list in the Boneyard (Nebraska site) that provides this info through 2013 (the Top 25 worst cheaters by number of years on probation since 1953, the first year the NCAA instituted penalties. The list is pretty interesting, actually:

Team Number of Years Sanctioned
1. SMU 17
2. USC 15
3. Auburn 11
4. alabama 10
5. Mich St 10
6, Oklahoma 10
7. Colorado 9
8. Illinois 9
9. Texas AM 9
10. Wisconsin 9
11. Arizona St 8
12. Cal 8
13. Cincinnati 8
14. Kansas 8
15. Kan St 8
16. Miami FL 8
17. Okla St 8
18. S. Carolina 8
19. Fla Internat. 7
20. Ohio state 7
21. Houston 7
22. Memphis 7
23. Mississippi 7
24. Miss St 7
25. Tex Tech 7

A few observations:

1. No surprise: Ohio State is on the list. I also was not surprised by Michigan State. I was surprised by Wisconsin.
2. Note the number of current or former Big 12 teams on this list: 7.
3. Number of SEC teams on the list: 6

 

[Robowe]

Disagree. Ohio State has always taken it to a new level.

Case in point ...

 

[Robowe]

 

[ssckelley]

I always thought Urban Meyer was a cheating snake as well but I'm having a hard time hating him on the college football shows.

 

[kameltoez102]

I always thought Urban Meyer was a cheating snake as well but I'm having a hard time hating him on the college football shows.

I think it is one thing to stretch the rules but when you do that and actually know what you are talking about you have his success. I like listening to him and he has some really good insight into the game but deep down there is part of me that I find hard to trust.

What I mean by that is if I was ever in the situation where he was visiting my son to play for him I would have kind of a dirty feeling after. He seems like a guy that will tell you what you want to hear rather than what you need to hear.

 

[ssckelley]

I think it is one thing to stretch the rules but when you do that and actually know what you are talking about you have his success. I like listening to him and he has some really good insight into the game but deep down there is part of me that I find hard to trust.

What I mean by that is if I was ever in the situation where he was visiting my son to play for him I would have kind of a dirty feeling after. He seems like a guy that will tell you what you want to hear rather than what you need to hear.

This is where I'm at, I enjoy listening to him but I wouldn't want my son to play for him.

 

[Fryowa]

This is where I'm at, I enjoy listening to him but I wouldn't want my son to play for him.

Gruden's the same way; I love listening to him as an analyst and I REALLY like it when he makes Mel Kiper look like more of an idiot than he already is, but if you listen to him mic'd up (especially in practice) he's the absolute biggest douche bag you can imagine. Just about all of his players hated him, and other than 3 good years he's been a flop. Just like Fran, screamers who don't produce come off looking like tantrum-throwing losers instead of demanding winners.

 

[BILLYBOBSTEXAS]

Gruden's the same way; I love listening to him as an analyst and I REALLY like it when he makes Mel Kiper look like more of an idiot than he already is, but if you listen to him mic'd up (especially in practice) he's the absolute biggest douche bag you can imagine. Just about all of his players hated him, and other than 3 good years he's been a flop. Just like Fran, screamers who don't produce come off looking like tantrum-throwing losers instead of demanding winners.

I have payed absolutely no attention to him since he took over the Raiders. Do you think he has learned anything while he was in the booth analyzing games? Mellowed out a little?

 

[Robowe]

I have payed absolutely no attention to him since he took over the Raiders. Do you think he has learned anything while he was in the booth analyzing games? Mellowed out a little?