Grinnell College on ESPN 3 right now
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JonnyGuido
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All missing the point. And against Crossroads, they did not play defense. If you don't see what is wrong with what they do in these pre-selected mis matches, then we have nothing else to discuss.
JonnyGuido
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Comparing running backs to a shooting guard is just plain dumb. Basketball is not football. Does Marble take 77 shots to White's zero? When Basabe rebounds the ball 6 feet from the basket with no one near him, does he immediately search for marble to pass him the ball?
The football equivalent would be Iowa scheduling a division 3 team and handing it off to Weisman every time until he scores, then having your defense allow the other team to score to get the ball back and give it to Weisman some more to pad his stats. So Weisman would run it 64 times for 760 yards and 10 td's. And you guys are cool with that apparently. I however have an issue with it and certainly do not celebrate it like some of you obvious competitors do.
I think it's pretty inconsequential stuff (being DIII bball and stuff), but count me among the people who think they're making a bit of a spectacle out of it. It's a little tacky how they're going about it.
It's not like that HS football coach down in R-Kansas who has just crunched the numbers & calls the game in a way that happens to challenge conventional wisdom. It's not even a matter of running an up-tempo, pressure d, jack up a lot of 3's system. If you look into how Grinnell is going about it, they're picking & choosing their spots (often against inferior foes) and "gaming" it (it's engineered/premeditated record breaking). You can say that they spoon fed Wilt the ball to get him his 100, but that was in a 5 on 5 NBA game.
I would love to invite them to Carver for an exhibition - we'll designate Aaron or Devyn "all time offense" and see how much fun it is to have a superior foe put 100+ on them "4 teh lulz".
It's not like that HS football coach down in R-Kansas who has just crunched the numbers & calls the game in a way that happens to challenge conventional wisdom. It's not even a matter of running an up-tempo, pressure d, jack up a lot of 3's system. If you look into how Grinnell is going about it, they're picking & choosing their spots (often against inferior foes) and "gaming" it (it's engineered/premeditated record breaking). You can say that they spoon fed Wilt the ball to get him his 100, but that was in a 5 on 5 NBA game.
I would love to invite them to Carver for an exhibition - we'll designate Aaron or Devyn "all time offense" and see how much fun it is to have a superior foe put 100+ on them "4 teh lulz".
HaydenHawk56
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I watched the game. Yes, they play defense. Pressing and trapping in the half court is defense.
HaydenHawk56
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Grinnell does not just "let them score" uncontested.....they do apply pressure......but they would rather get the ball back in 12 seconds or less, even if that means the opponent gets a lay-up on them. It is all in their 2 or 1 approach and getting a certain number of shot attempts per game. They play defense.
On offense, they are willing to give up an easy lay-up for an open shooter on the perimeter to meet the goals of their 2 for 1 approach and they need half of their shots coming up in the way of 3 pointers. It is all in their formula for success.
HawkeyeDug
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Have you seen them play one of these games where they are trying to break a record? If not I think it might give you a different outlook as they teams they schedule for record breaking purposes are worse than rural small town high school bad. Just comically terrible.
^ This, exactly. I see no problem with them taking up tempo to an extreme (you can count me amongst the folks who would like to see it tried out at the major college level). My problem is with the fact they are engineering record breaking to get their name in the ESPN ticker.
I understand the very nature of their system is going to unevenly distribute scoring, but I think it's pretty bad sportsmanship to walk out on the court thinking "let's get so-and-so 115 tonight" (and the team you are playing against is so outmatched, that's actually your entire gameplan).
HaydenHawk56
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On the other hand, no matter how bad the competition is, it is the job of the other team to prevent this from happening. If Jack Taylor is the one heaving up all of these shots, then he should be a marked man for the defense out on the court. The other team's defense has accountability in this. Taylor is just doing his job.
HawkeyeDug
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The thing is they schedule teams so bad that it doesn't matter. They can't do anything.
I get what you are saying, but there is a big difference between record setting within the flow of the game and record setting "PlayStation Style", as it were.
HaydenHawk56
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Well, even the best teams schedule bad teams ever year, regardless of the sport. Coach Arsenault has been on record as saying they have to schedule these teams because of the lacks of teams that want to play Grinnell in the preseason.
I think it still comes back on teams like Faith Baptist or Crossroads for accepting playing Grinnell. They know what they are getting themselves into......they have to come up with a way to prevent these "video game like scores" from happening.
Even still, to make 109 points (or his 138 last year) is quite impressive and the guy can shoot regardless of the competition. He does not get enough credit for his shooting ability (and that is lost in the argument).
I would love to see Iowa play them. Iowa would probably beat them pretty good because of our athleticism and size, but Grinnell is a treat to watch when they are hot from the outside. And their pressing style is also a treat to watch.
ssckelley
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Ok let's not get crazy, Iowa would tear Grinnell apart.
MeatMan
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that would be an awesome exhibition game!
ssckelley
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I am not so sure it would be and playing them in an exhibition game would do the team no good. I think they would struggle to score against Iowa's defense.
lightning1
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That's a great article. Lets face it, it's D-3 basketball. No multi million dollar salary at stake for the coach. No NBA pipe dreams for the players. It should be about having fun.
More power to them.
HaydenHawk56
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Iowa would get a lot of dunks off of Grinnell's press......Iowa would need to get back on defense to defend the perimeter. Iowa's size, quickness, and athleticism should be enough to close out Grinnell's shooters to make things quite difficult for them.
Grinnell would only have a chance to keep it close if they were extremely hot from the outside, Iowa was lazy in defending, and Iowa extremely struggled with their different presses and turn the ball over in heaps.
I would say Iowa by 40+.
However, take someone with Iowa's talent (or better) and run this system. Well, maybe not Iowa's shooting ability, but it would be fun for a major program to run this style.
Grinnell would only have a chance to keep it close if they were extremely hot from the outside, Iowa was lazy in defending, and Iowa extremely struggled with their different presses and turn the ball over in heaps.
I would say Iowa by 40+.
However, take someone with Iowa's talent (or better) and run this system. Well, maybe not Iowa's shooting ability, but it would be fun for a major program to run this style.
JonnyGuido
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It would not be fun, it would be idiotic and career suicide. Jake Taylor or whatever that dude's name is, would not score. Iowa beat Abilene Christian by 60 and Abilene Christian would beat grinell by 60. It is a gimmicky system that only works when you have better players. The dopes who romanticize it make me laugh and cry at the same time. Glad to see some sane people here who share my thoughts about their poor sportsmanship and joke of a program. I would never let my kid play for that idiot coach seeing as he teaches nothing about integrity and team play. The whole "get a kid 100 points for publicity sake" teaches style over substance.
