Grades

koralakers

koralakers

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Over a Quarter-Century or so, Ferentz (and entire staff) will easily be one of the top compensated coaches in college football. Here's what you get for that....

Recruiting...C-/D+....with great facilities, fanbase, decent program history, money, etc, we are almost always in bottom half of BIG AND P5 in recruiting (ok, we got a slight uptick THIS year, but OVERALL, one of the poorest P5)

In-Game Coaching/Adjustments...D-...arguably an F, as there is basically NO adjustments, EVER, during game, halftime. Predictable and Vanilla. Opposing team knows exactly what we will do, on both sides of ball, almost always. Play calling on both sides of ball, and end-of-half management, calling timeouts cause plays not coming in on-time, are real head-scratchers most of the time.

Coaching/Preparation for each Specific Opponent...D-...again, arguably an F...Our 'gameplan' on both sides of ball is basically the same from game-to-game, whether our next opponent is Wisconsin (smashmouth), or Northwestern (spread offense).

Player Development...A+...Probably the best in the nation, and that may not be even debatable. Develop 'zero'-star guys into pros in 3-5 years. Put as many guys in NFL, despite paltry recruiting 'rankings'. We are usually able to go toe-to-toe on the field with schools that out-recruit us.

Overall Grade Average: C-

Am I missing anything?
 
Player development and recruiting.... that's interesting. No doubt some. Maybe he's mostly good at finding diamonds in the rough at certain positions. I do remember and never understood why NFL teams in the draft were concerned about Gallery's fundamentals. Sometimes recruiting has been darned good. That's the head scratcher. Consistency.

The staff has had some brilliant game preparations. It's the in game coaching that hurts.
 
It would seem to me that your criteria are missing something. If that is their overall grade.

They have been to two Orange Bowls, a Rose Bowl and have a share of two B10 Championships, and KF was a national COY at least once and was B10 COY more times than anyone else during his tenure, how can the overall grade be a C-?

If winning is what counts, and you look at overall records in that time, doesn't ours end up in the top half of the conference, if not only behind OSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin? If that is correct (it might not be, I am not sure), then how can it be a C-? It isn't like this is an underachievement at OSU. It was accomplished at Iowa.

I would be interested in your response to the above feedback.
 
koralakers said:
Over a Quarter-Century or so, Ferentz (and entire staff) will easily be one of the top compensated coaches in college football. Here's what you get for that....

Recruiting...C-/D+....with great facilities, fanbase, decent program history, money, etc, we are almost always in bottom half of BIG AND P5 in recruiting (ok, we got a slight uptick THIS year, but OVERALL, one of the poorest P5)

In-Game Coaching/Adjustments...D-...arguably an F, as there is basically NO adjustments, EVER, during game, halftime. Predictable and Vanilla. Opposing team knows exactly what we will do, on both sides of ball, almost always. Play calling on both sides of ball, and end-of-half management, calling timeouts cause plays not coming in on-time, are real head-scratchers most of the time.

Coaching/Preparation for each Specific Opponent...D-...again, arguably an F...Our 'gameplan' on both sides of ball is basically the same from game-to-game, whether our next opponent is Wisconsin (smashmouth), or Northwestern (spread offense).

Player Development...A+...Probably the best in the nation, and that may not be even debatable. Develop 'zero'-star guys into pros in 3-5 years. Put as many guys in NFL, despite paltry recruiting 'rankings'. We are usually able to go toe-to-toe on the field with schools that out-recruit us.

Overall Grade Average: C-

Am I missing anything?
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I liked listening to a quote from a presser after the game and Kirk commented "Well, they really caught us in predictable situations and were able to exploit it.". - Paraphrase.

I thought, well duh!!
 
Thawki said:
It would seem to me that your criteria are missing something. If that is their overall grade.

They have been to two Orange Bowls, a Rose Bowl and have a share of two B10 Championships, and KF was a national COY at least once and was B10 COY more times than anyone else during his tenure, how can the overall grade be a C-?

If winning is what counts, and you look at overall records in that time, doesn't ours end up in the top half of the conference, if not only behind OSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin? If that is correct (it might not be, I am not sure), then how can it be a C-? It isn't like this is an underachievement at OSU. It was accomplished at Iowa.

I would be interested in your response to the above feedback.
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KF's OVERALL win pctg is like 60%! Over these 30 years, KF we be one of the top 2 or 3 paid college coaches of all time! I would expect an 85-90% win percentage (see Saban, Meyer) for someone getting paid about the most in history! That's my point. Not getting what we pay for!

Response?
 
koralakers said:
KF's OVERALL win pctg is like 60%! Over these 30 years, KF we be one of the top 2 or 3 paid college coaches of all time! I would expect an 85-90% win percentage (see Saban, Meyer) for someone getting paid about the most in history! That's my point. Not getting what we pay for!

Response?
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You can't compare him to what coaches are doing at blue blood programs. You have to compare him to where Iowa would be with him and where they would be without him.
 
koralakers said:
KF's OVERALL win pctg is like 60%! Over these 30 years, KF we be one of the top 2 or 3 paid college coaches of all time! I would expect an 85-90% win percentage (see Saban, Meyer) for someone getting paid about the most in history! That's my point. Not getting what we pay for!

Response?
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Nick Saben's career winning % in B1G games when he was at MSU was 57.5%.

Give Saban better players, and miracle of all miracles his win % increases. He has a 78% winning % in the SEC games. Urban won 75% of his SEC game, but is killing it at OSU.

Hayden Fry had a 59% winning % in B1G play and 60% overall.
Ferentz is at 56% B1G play and 59% overall.

If you grade Ferentz out as a C-, then Saban was a C- at MSU and Fry was a C-. So yeah, I'd say you missed a lot in your post.
 
deanvogs said:
Nick Saben's career winning % in B1G games when he was at MSU was 57.5%.

Give Saban better players, and miracle of all miracles his win % increases. He has a 78% winning % in the SEC games. Urban won 75% of his SEC game, but is killing it at OSU.

Hayden Fry had a 59% winning % in B1G play and 60% overall.
Ferentz is at 56% B1G play and 59% overall.

If you grade Ferentz out as a C-, then Saban was a C- at MSU and Fry was a C-. So yeah, I'd say you missed a lot in your post.
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Agree with this. I'm not a fan of the Ferentz extension but to say he's a C- coach is stupid
 
I understand, at the end, the ONLY thing that matters is W/L. And by that Ferentz is above average (56/59%). Probably more worthy of a "B" (if using grades analogy). HOWEVER, we pay him like we are winning 80-90%, imo. Yes, we all know Saban was AVERAGE at MSU. No doubt about it.

I guess I am looking 'above' just the W/L's. IA football is vanilla, predictable, boring. Surprising though, somewhat winning.
 
I give Ferentz an A+. He is on equal footing with Fry and is one of the 4 great coaches in Iowa football history:

1. 2 Big Ten championships and one Big Ten West championship, beating out all-mighty Nebraska. A runner-up finish in 2009.
2. 3 BCS bowl games
3. 13 bowl games and 6 bowl wins
4. multiple winner of Big Ten coach of the year (I believe it is 3 or 4 times, including last year).
5. 76 Big Ten wins, which is now 8th on the all-time list.

I would rate Ferentz right up there with Fry as two of the best coaches in Big Ten history. Here is the only stat you need to know: IOWA BEFORE FRY AND FERENTZ HAD WON 40% OF ITS BIG TEN GAMES IN ITS ENTIRE HISTORY SPANNING 90 YEARS, AND CAPTURED 5 BIG TEN TITLES AND PLAYED IN TWO BCS BOWL GAMES. UNDER FRY AND FERENTZ, IOWA HAS WON ALMOST 60% OF ITS BIG TEN GAMES, CAPTURED 6 BIG TEN TITLES OF SOME TYPE (INCLUDES ONE BIG WEST TITLE), AND PLAYED IN 6 BCS GAMES

Ferentz has won 59.5% of his total games and 56% of his Big Ten games. A great job. Iowa is not Ohio State, Michigan or Penn State. We don't have the population or the money to compete with those programs, and yet Fry and Ferentz have done a great job of doing so.

Iowa was the laughingstock, bottom feeding member of the Big Ten before Fry and Ferentz. We were having a hard time beating Indiana and had 20 consecutive non-winning seasons. Now we are respected and contending for titles and bowl games. Big difference.

Anyone giving Ferentz a grade of C is just a troll. Please go back to your troll hole in Ames.
 
Dude, not a troll. Bleed Black and Gold since I was 10. Got my BSE at Iowa. It KILLS me to lose repeatedly (under KF, NOT Fry) to directional schools (N IL, West Mich, Cent Mich, ND St, etc) and. of course ISU (9-9). Losing not because their athletes are better, but because coach keeps trying to pound that square peg into round hole.

If I was an ISU fan from Ames, wouldn't I be doing cartwheels after an IA loss, instead of complaining? Anyone that's a football fan (watching dozens of games every year) can see how predictable we are (when it seems every other team is more 'innovating' than us). For $4+ mil, I expect more. Maybe you are happy as heck going 7-6?

I guess I am spoiled cuz I started watching in '80. Every old-timer will bring up the 60's and 70's in these arguments
 
Player Development was an A+ for Kirk, between 1999-2004 and 2008-2009, but Mark Dantonio is the leader of the clubhouse at this time.
Look at MSU's recruiting class rankings between 2012-2015, and look at where they have finished the last 3 season.
 
koralakers said:
Over a Quarter-Century or so, Ferentz (and entire staff) will easily be one of the top compensated coaches in college football. Here's what you get for that....

Recruiting...C-/D+....with great facilities, fanbase, decent program history, money, etc, we are almost always in bottom half of BIG AND P5 in recruiting (ok, we got a slight uptick THIS year, but OVERALL, one of the poorest P5)

In-Game Coaching/Adjustments...D-...arguably an F, as there is basically NO adjustments, EVER, during game, halftime. Predictable and Vanilla. Opposing team knows exactly what we will do, on both sides of ball, almost always. Play calling on both sides of ball, and end-of-half management, calling timeouts cause plays not coming in on-time, are real head-scratchers most of the time.

Coaching/Preparation for each Specific Opponent...D-...again, arguably an F...Our 'gameplan' on both sides of ball is basically the same from game-to-game, whether our next opponent is Wisconsin (smashmouth), or Northwestern (spread offense).

Player Development...A+...Probably the best in the nation, and that may not be even debatable. Develop 'zero'-star guys into pros in 3-5 years. Put as many guys in NFL, despite paltry recruiting 'rankings'. We are usually able to go toe-to-toe on the field with schools that out-recruit us.

Overall Grade Average: C-

Am I missing anything?
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Your analysis: F
 
Player development is an A+ and that makes up for a lot of deficiencies, raising the overall grade. Anytime your the best at something, it pays off multi-fold.
 
I understand that mentality that his performance (wins/losses) should reflect his contract, but did anyone really expect him to change his tendencies/mindset as he got those extensions. To me while I get the compensation argument, it should be a moot point, as I wouldn't expect his philosophies/mentality to change based on the fact he's now making more money. Generally with contracts you get the extensions based on performance; if doing something one way got you an extension, to me it doesn't make sense to do anything different than you'd previously done.

I don't fault KF for his contract. I fault Barta.
 
rip me more KF apolgoists. This staff is pathetic. A good year every 4-5 yrs is apparently worth $4-5 mill for 10 yrs. Not getting what we pay for. Too many deficiencies in every area except player development to consistently beat the NWs, ISUs, WMich's, CMich's, NDSU's, NILL's of the world. These loses hurt. Why is Barta such an idiot? And to think we would have the money to be able to pay for a coach who can recruit and consistently play to win, and, for Heaven's sake, maybe change things up every once in awhile on either sied of the ball. Is that too much to ask for $5 mill?!
 
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