Good FB Practice tidbits

When is the last time we returned a punt for a TD? I really don't know. Timmy D? lol. I think we need to try something new. Canzeri is MY answer. Wonder what the staff chooses.

(they may have returned one recently, but it sure as heck isn't coming to mind.)
 
When is the last time we returned a punt for a TD? I really don't know. Timmy D? lol. I think we need to try something new. Canzeri is MY answer. Wonder what the staff chooses.

(they may have returned one recently, but it sure as heck isn't coming to mind.)


Andy Brodell vs ISU (2008) comes to mind but I think we have had others.

Chad
 
If you want to count Omeara's fumble recovery from a blocked punt that would be one..... :D
 
Andy Brodell vs ISU (2008) comes to mind but I think we have had others.

Chad

C.J. Jones in 2001, Hinkel against Northwestern in 2002, Razor Ochoa against Buffalo in '03 (pretty sure that was the right game), Walner Belleus against ASU in 2004, Jovon Johnson in 2005, Brodell in 2008.
 
C.J. Jones in 2001, Hinkel against Northwestern in 2002, Razor Ochoa against Buffalo in '03 (pretty sure that was the right game), Walner Belleus against ASU in 2004, Jovon Johnson in 2005, Brodell in 2008.


Forgot about Walner Belleus at all (that's not like me, good catch) grades right?!?! and I'd thought JJ had one. The others I'd spaced off, but they sound right.

Thanks.

Chad
 
I dont think it is so much about being a freshman as it is showing you can do it in practice. People are giving Canzeri the PR job based on some high school film. This will be the Big Ten and 70 000 people watching so it is a different experience and we will have to see how it turns out. I admit to not having watched any of the films out there.
Almost ALL coaches go with experienced people until freshman proves he can get it done. Hopefully all the posters here are correct and Canzeri turns out to be a star. We will know more this Fall.
 
I dont think it is so much about being a freshman as it is showing you can do it in practice. People are giving Canzeri the PR job based on some high school film. This will be the Big Ten and 70 000 people watching so it is a different experience and we will have to see how it turns out. I admit to not having watched any of the films out there.
Almost ALL coaches go with experienced people until freshman proves he can get it done. Hopefully all the posters here are correct and Canzeri turns out to be a star. We will know more this Fall.


The above is a million dollar statement, that some of our fans just don't get! KF has played a LOT of freshmen over the years to be a guy who "doesn't like" playing them.....

Chad
 
Keenan Davis returned exactly 1 punt 2 years ago...he fumbled it and hasn't seen the depth chart as a punt returner since.

That's a great way to build a young guy's confidence.

As for KFz playing "a lot" of Freshman over the years. Chad, have we been watching the same team? Just a couple years ago Ferentz himself acknowledged that he'd been too slow to play younger guys despite their talent and that maybe he needed to get past that.

He has played more Frosh the past couple years (somewhat out of necessity...as in Wegher)...but in his first 7-8 years it was rare.
 
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Keenan Davis returned exactly 1 punt 2 years ago...he fumbled it and hasn't seen the depth chart as a punt returner since.

That's a great way to build a young guy's confidence.

As for KFz playing "a lot" of Freshman over the years. Chad, have we been watching the same team? Just a couple years ago Ferentz himself acknowledged that he'd been too slow to play younger guys despite their talent and that maybe he needed to get past that.

He has played more Frosh the past couple years (somewhat out of necessity...as in Wegher)...but in his first 7-8 years it was rare.

Most recent example of this was the Coker situation last year. During the MSU game, the announcers said something about speaking with Ferentz about getting Coker some playing time, but Ferentz told them that he hadn't had an opportunity to do so because the games had been so close. Then, all of the sudden, ARob gets hurt and Coker starts the next week and runs for 100 yards in the first half (if I remember right vs. Indiana). Lately it has been out of necessity, but it still seems like it's difficult for him to pull the trigger on letting freshman log meaningful snaps. How do you really know what you've got if you don't even put the guy in the game when it counts? It's not like Coker hadn't shown flashes...he ran through Ball State several weeks prior (I know, I know, it's Ball State) and doesn't see the field again until it's absolutely necessary?
 
Most recent example of this was the Coker situation last year. During the MSU game, the announcers said something about speaking with Ferentz about getting Coker some playing time, but Ferentz told them that he hadn't had an opportunity to do so because the games had been so close. Then, all of the sudden, ARob gets hurt and Coker starts the next week and runs for 100 yards in the first half (if I remember right vs. Indiana). Lately it has been out of necessity, but it still seems like it's difficult for him to pull the trigger on letting freshman log meaningful snaps. How do you really know what you've got if you don't even put the guy in the game when it counts? It's not like Coker hadn't shown flashes...he ran through Ball State several weeks prior (I know, I know, it's Ball State) and doesn't see the field again until it's absolutely necessary?

I believe Coker also fumbled against Ball State. That could have been a factor in the decision to not play him much until A-Rob went down.
 
Keenan Davis returned exactly 1 punt 2 years ago...he fumbled it and hasn't seen the depth chart as a punt returner since.

That's a great way to build a young guy's confidence.

As for KFz playing "a lot" of Freshman over the years. Chad, have we been watching the same team? Just a couple years ago Ferentz himself acknowledged that he'd been too slow to play younger guys despite their talent and that maybe he needed to get past that.

He has played more Frosh the past couple years (somewhat out of necessity...as in Wegher)...but in his first 7-8 years it was rare.

Well here goes from memory.........

Barr, Cole, Sanders, JJ, AA, Solomon (I believe) Godfrey, Shada, Mike Jones, Damian Simms, Moeaki, Richardson and Bain, Douglass, Bowman may have, Ballard, Bulaga, Moses, Coleman, Morrow, Everson Pugh, I think Hundertmark may have, Lowe, Castillo, etc, etc….


Whew……I’m out of gas, there are still more. Now a few of those may have been RSes but I tried not to include those, in which case there have been even more of them. Point being YES KF has played MORE frosh in recent years and the list above will show that, but “someâ€￾ Iowa fans (they know who they are) grossly over exaggerate his reluctance to do it. Either out of necessity (early on that WAS the case) or pure talent KF has played plenty of Frosh.

Chad
 
I believe Coker also fumbled against Ball State. That could have been a factor in the decision to not play him much until A-Rob went down.

Is that the one that popped up in the air and went out of bounds? I was thinking that was Rogers...again, from memory.

**Edit - It was Rogers.
Iowa 1-10at Ball15Rogers, Brad rush right for 1 yard to the BALL14, fumble forced by CRUZ, Justin, fumble by Rogers, Brad recovered by IOWA Gaglione, Joe at BALL14.
 
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Well here goes from memory.........

Barr, Cole, Sanders, JJ, AA, Solomon (I believe) Godfrey, Shada, Mike Jones, Damian Simms, Moeaki, Richardson and Bain, Douglass, Bowman may have, Ballard, Bulaga, Moses, Coleman, Morrow, Everson Pugh, I think Hundertmark may have, Lowe, Castillo, etc, etc….


Whew……I’m out of gas, there are still more. Now a few of those may have been RSes but I tried not to include those, in which case there have been even more of them. Point being YES KF has played MORE frosh in recent years and the list above will show that, but “some†Iowa fans (they know who they are) grossly over exaggerate his reluctance to do it. Either out of necessity (early on that WAS the case) or pure talent KF has played plenty of Frosh.

Chad


Just because I got intrigued, here are more Hampton, Prater and I think Paine, Davis, Hyde, Wegher, Coker, Fiedorowicz, Hitchens, Kirksey, Lowery, Miller, Morris, Schumpert…….

So in honesty and in review, the way KF does things isn't really out of line, we are just really good a 2nd guessing things. That is a long list I just complied, not counting a plethora of RS-Frosh so NO....I'm not inclined to agree he won’t play Frosh. I'm also in agreement that putting them in a pressure packed situation on an island is a very, very dangerous idea that can most assuredly have disasters consequences….

Chad
 
Appreciate you throwing all those guys names out there...of those freshman, how many actually played any sort of meaningful time on non-special teams (i.e. at their respective position)?

Just looking at the most recent post...

Hampton - Got decent run as Greene's backup
Prater - Didn't he RS? I could be wrong there...didn't think he played as a TR FR **EDIT - Stand corrected here...Prater played as a TR FR, but he played sparingly, although it was at CB
Paine - I don't think he played any offense...maybe some mop-up time
Davis - One of my biggest gripes was that KD didn't get into more action his freshman year
Hyde - Pretty sure he got valuable time at CB (out of necessity?)
Wegher - Valuable time out of necessity
Coker - Valuable time at RB, but probably could have been more
CJF - Got some time at TE
Hitchens - Mostly special teams until pressed into service late in the season
Kirksey - See Hitchens
Lowery - See Hitchens
Miller - See Hitchens
Morris - Pressed into service and will be a stud!
Shumpert - I don't remember him seeing the field on offense last year
 
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Appreciate you throwing all those guys names out there...of those freshman, how many actually played any sort of meaningful time on non-special teams (i.e. at their respective position)?

Just looking at the most recent post...

Hampton - Got decent run as Greene's backup
Prater - Didn't he RS? I could be wrong there...didn't think he played as a TR FR
Paine - I don't think he played any offense...maybe some mop-up time
Davis - One of my biggest gripes was that KD didn't get into more action his freshman year
Hyde - Pretty sure he got valuable time at CB (out of necessity?)
Wegher - Valuable time out of necessity
Coker - Valuable time at RB, but probably could have been more
CJF - Got some time at TE
Hitchens - Mostly special teams until pressed into service late in the season
Kirksey - See Hitchens
Lowery - See Hitchens
Miller - See Hitchens
Morris - Pressed into service and will be a stud!
Shumpert - I don't remember him seeing the field on offense last year


Go back to the beginning….Barr started by mid-season, so did Sanders, JJ did, so did AA (though he may have been a RS) and honestly that is my gripe with some (clearly not all) Iowa fans, they don’t really pay attention. They take a snap shot and formulate their opinions.

If you add RSes we have played a lot of Frosh in meaningful minutes over the years…

Chad
 
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Go back to the beginning….Barr started by mid-season, so did Sanders, JJ did, so did AA (though he may have been a RS) and honestly that is my gripe with Iowa fans, they don’t really pay attention. They take a snap shot and formulate their opinions.

If you add RSes we have played a lot of Frosh in meaningful minutes over the years…

Chad

I didn't go back to the beginning because my memory isn't that good. :)

What I was getting at with my post was that I think there is a difference between playing freshman who play most of their snaps on special teams and actually having a freshman in the two deeps making a contribution.

I'll look up some of those other names and post my results.
 
Appreciate you throwing all those guys names out there...of those freshman, how many actually played any sort of meaningful time on non-special teams (i.e. at their respective position)?

Just looking at the most recent post...

Hampton - Got decent run as Greene's backup
Prater - Didn't he RS? I could be wrong there...didn't think he played as a TR FR
Paine - I don't think he played any offense...maybe some mop-up time
Davis - One of my biggest gripes was that KD didn't get into more action his freshman year
Hyde - Pretty sure he got valuable time at CB (out of necessity?)
Wegher - Valuable time out of necessity
Coker - Valuable time at RB, but probably could have been more
CJF - Got some time at TE
Hitchens - Mostly special teams until pressed into service late in the season
Kirksey - See Hitchens
Lowery - See Hitchens
Miller - See Hitchens
Morris - Pressed into service and will be a stud!
Shumpert - I don't remember him seeing the field on offense last year

I don't agree with the assertion that seeing minutes on special teams ISN'T valuable game time ... and that's just what you're asserting.

Quite frankly, if you look at a lot of Iowa's top players .... Sanders, Godfrey, Roth, Hodge, Edds, Greenway, Considine, and many, MANY more proved themselves first on special teams before they proved themselves at their respective positions. The fact of the matter is that the effort, aggression, and attention to detail that players give to special teams ALSO translates over to their positional play.

One of the biggest "transitions" for young players ISN'T seeing game action at their respective positions .... it's getting acclimated to the speed of the game PERIOD. Now ask yourself, does ANY game action really get played faster than action on special teams (particularly on coverage units)?

Furthermore, if a guy is receiving game action ... then they're going to be on the travel squad. That means that they're also DEFINITELY going to be the recipient of A LOT more coaching attention during the regular season than guys who are on the scout team. That means that those guys are also receiving more quality reps in PRACTICE ... and that ends up pushing ahead their development.

I agree that sometimes the TR FR who get pushed into early action are guys who benefitted from us having poor depth ... thus, they benefitted from the fact that the coaches were a bit on the desperate side. However, you cannot forget that some guys who receive game action have never generated any "internal buzz" from within the program ... whereas, other guys have.

When you look at guys like Lowe, Castillo, Meade (admittedly, he was a SO), Bowman, and Chaney, among others .... they all saw pretty early action as underclassmen DESPITE never really generating much legit buzz.

In contrast, guys like Kirksey, Miller, Shumpert, Moses, Coleman, Morris, etc ALL generated legit buzz before hitting the field.
 
Barr - Played in 11 games as fresh, starting final 6
Cole - Played in 9 games as a fresh, played substantial minutes on DL
Sanders - Played exclusively on special teams until final 3 games of freshman year, but then got 3 starts
JJ - He and AA were both freshman starters because we were razor thin at CB coming out of 2001
AA - See JJ above
Solomon - Saw decent action against non-con schedule...did return a few punts his freshman year!
Godfrey - Special teamer, very little action in secondary
Shada - Special teamer, very little action in secondary
Mike Jones - Didn't play first 6 games of season, then started rest of the way
Damian Sims - Special teamer, saw action at RB in games that had been decided
Moeaki - Saw action as a freshman...maybe a little more than CJF did
Richardson - Saw some action at LT
Bain - Saw a decent amount of action on DL as a freshman
Douglas - Freshman standout in 2006
Bowman - Special teamer, returned a few kicks
Ballard - Limited action on DL his freshman year
Bulaga - Freshman stud
Moses - Special teamer
Coleman - Got 1 start, reasonable amount of playing time as a freshman
Morrow - Special teamer
Everson - Special teamer
Pugh - Mop up duty
Hundertmark - Saw very little action as a freshman
Lowe - Special teamer
Castillo - Redshirted, then played sparingly, although with Praters suspension he did start one game his RS FR year
 

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