CraigTNelson
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Who is Iowa's best pass rusher?
Gerry DiNardo At Hawks Practice Today
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i have a ? for the Davis bashers, what kind of #'s did the kid have to put up, to make him acceptable as the #1 option this season.
i ask because McNutt only had 53 reception as a jr vs 50 for Davis had has a jr.
KMM as the 3rd option had 30 receptions as a Freshman vs Sandeman as a senior with 21 receptions
so i am very confused as to the constant bashing and gloom and doom for the WR corp
as for the Oline, the biggest key is the center position as the QB-Center exchange s very important as both the center and QB are both 5th year seniors. the only real question is who steps into the LT position, and with Donnal a 6'7 302 lbs 4* 3rd year SO or 6'5 310 ln 3rd year SO Scherff in the mix and who knows how Nolan MacMillan at 6'6 290 lb 5th year JR will fit into the picture, it is neither young nor small. and the HC didn't leave nor did Morgan if there is any help needed by Brian both are available to help. the offense is not chopped liver and will get beat by many teams, as for RB it sounds like Rogers will get a look at RB as he was recruited as a RB but switched to FB 5'10 230 lb who can catch and run between the tackles
i see this
5th year senior qb in JVB
RB ? with many players in the mix with 2 very strong players yet to step on campus
WR 5th year 4* WR in Davis in spite of what the bashers say
WR 3rd year KMM who showed he is more than capable of being a 2nd option at WR
TE 4* 3rd year player in CJF who finally got his blocking down to KF's satisfication to play
LT it will be a tossup between 4th yearJR MacMillan,or a pair of 3rd year SO in Donnal and Scherff
LG 5th year SR Tobin, with Blythe and Walsh and the loser of the battle for the starting LT spot that means you have 6 guys battling for 2 spots.
C is nailed down by 5th year SR Ferentz, with his backup being a 4th year JR in Boffeli and JUCO SO Simmons
RG will have a battle but i feel Scherff will settle in here after battling for the LT with Boffeli, Walsh and Blythe be fighting for #2 at RG.
LT will be VanSloten a 4th year 6'7 292 lb JR
the offenses is not weak or untested
i ask because McNutt only had 53 reception as a jr vs 50 for Davis had has a jr.
KMM as the 3rd option had 30 receptions as a Freshman vs Sandeman as a senior with 21 receptions
so i am very confused as to the constant bashing and gloom and doom for the WR corp
as for the Oline, the biggest key is the center position as the QB-Center exchange s very important as both the center and QB are both 5th year seniors. the only real question is who steps into the LT position, and with Donnal a 6'7 302 lbs 4* 3rd year SO or 6'5 310 ln 3rd year SO Scherff in the mix and who knows how Nolan MacMillan at 6'6 290 lb 5th year JR will fit into the picture, it is neither young nor small. and the HC didn't leave nor did Morgan if there is any help needed by Brian both are available to help. the offense is not chopped liver and will get beat by many teams, as for RB it sounds like Rogers will get a look at RB as he was recruited as a RB but switched to FB 5'10 230 lb who can catch and run between the tackles
i see this
5th year senior qb in JVB
RB ? with many players in the mix with 2 very strong players yet to step on campus
WR 5th year 4* WR in Davis in spite of what the bashers say
WR 3rd year KMM who showed he is more than capable of being a 2nd option at WR
TE 4* 3rd year player in CJF who finally got his blocking down to KF's satisfication to play
LT it will be a tossup between 4th yearJR MacMillan,or a pair of 3rd year SO in Donnal and Scherff
LG 5th year SR Tobin, with Blythe and Walsh and the loser of the battle for the starting LT spot that means you have 6 guys battling for 2 spots.
C is nailed down by 5th year SR Ferentz, with his backup being a 4th year JR in Boffeli and JUCO SO Simmons
RG will have a battle but i feel Scherff will settle in here after battling for the LT with Boffeli, Walsh and Blythe be fighting for #2 at RG.
LT will be VanSloten a 4th year 6'7 292 lb JR
the offenses is not weak or untested
CraigTNelson
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Who bashed Davis?
heres one i will find others
STILLBUSTER
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I expect Hawks to be 6-1 and struggle to get to 7-5. $20mil question is can OC Davis finally get the offense to step up when needed? With such a weak front 7, they will have to carry the D in nearly every game this year. (With exception of 2004, PSU 2009 and 2010 Insight, KOK rarely came through with much more complete offensive talent.)
MoseSchrute
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Even with all the question marks, I still think it would be a disappointment to do worse than 7-5. Herb might have a point about Rogers at rb as well. The Air Force transfer Weisman can play this year, so if he can play well at fb, Rogers would be another possibility at rb. Also, Nate Meier may surprise everyone when he starts out at rb and we have a new monsterback in the making. I also liked DiNardo's comment about the defense. Maybe Phil will bring a little fire back into it. He certainly had it as a player.
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rjbaustian
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I may be drinking the koolaid, but I really feel we are going to surprise people
questioning a player that is #2 with #'s comparable with the #1 that produced the same stats as the #2 before he became #1 is bashing, Davis has nothing to prove, that is why i asked what Davis had to do to get into the catagory of being Consistant
Tough crowd. Are you by chance a literary editor in the real world?
If you feel I was incorrect in my statement, HH, please state your argument. I simply said he was inconsistent. Given that he dropped the greatest percentage of catchable passes among the top 3 wide receivers last year, I think that's a fair assessment.
You may peruse these statistics if you need to verify that stat. Once you have, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
i already did, McNutt had his share of drops both as a senior and a JR, i even remember a perfectly thrown ball go thru McNutts hand as a JR that led to a INT and a TD for the other team, And people keep saying JVB is now a poor QB , so how many of those drops can be blamed on JVB instead of Davis.
like i said how many more catches did Davis have to have to be classified as consistent enough to be the solid #1 WR going into this fall?
not to mention KMM had more reception as a 3rd option as a RS freshmen, than Sandeman did as a Senior. the WR are solid and ther is no reason to doubt their ability to be solid, alot of the poster act like this Team has little to no talent. and they act like the coaches are 1st year coaches with no experience
like i said how many more catches did Davis have to have to be classified as consistent enough to be the solid #1 WR going into this fall?
not to mention KMM had more reception as a 3rd option as a RS freshmen, than Sandeman did as a Senior. the WR are solid and ther is no reason to doubt their ability to be solid, alot of the poster act like this Team has little to no talent. and they act like the coaches are 1st year coaches with no experience
The article states that the statistic is based on "catchable passes" meaning that poor throws by the QB have been factored out. And total number of catches has nothing to do with consistency. I made no statements about his catch totals. Your opinion may differ, but I don't feel that someone who is dropping more than one out of every ten catchable passes is consistent. Perhaps for you that limit is two out of ten or three out of ten. Each to their own.
But when we're in crunch time and need a first down or a touchdown, I don't want our hopes to be hanging on a guy who drops the ball at a 13.5% rate. Sorry if you feel that's bashing. However, I stick to my assessment. Until Davis' drop rate decreases I don't consider him a strong number one option.
so you discount the 9 catches out of 10 to try to make a very feeble point. i will take a 90% catch rate anyday. this is not Baseball where a batting avg of .300 is considered great. 90% of catches is excellent that make 90 out of 100, not sure what you consider acceptable #'s
Hawkeye11en1
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Dude you have major issues. He isn't bashing Davis. You think he is a solid number one, but there has been NO proof that he is. He is a good WR, but it's all guesswork as to whether or not he will make a good #1. McNutt's shoes are hard to fill.
As I said, each to their own. If you consider a catch rate of 87% (let's be accurate) of catchable balls (not to be misinterpreted as total balls) acceptable and strong numbers for a wide receiver, so be it.
Doesn't change my opinion. A drop rate in excess of 13% is not the drop rate of an elite WR and not someone I want to have to rely on in crunch time. I will consider Davis a strong number one when that number improves.
BILLBUCKNER
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I agree with this. I don't understand the doom and gloom around here. I think the staff shake up is going to reenergize them and get this team back to a top Big10 team.
answer my queston what were McNutts #'s as a JR and SR. i am very interested since you claim McNutt was a sure #1 and use those #'s against Davis to try to say he's has a lot to prove himself as being ready to step into that #1 spot. is that so hard to do?
Hawkeye11en1
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He is a sure #1 because he PROVED it.
