HawkGold
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Because about 8 of those players cant play all out. They can only be effective as a deliberate unit. 2 turtles canno corral a rabbit
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Northside Hawk
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This post brings up some good points. Davis had athletes and they didn't stop when the subs came in. They could wear down opposing teams and be the stronger team when it mattered most. Good example: the UTEP game. They tried to run with us with seven or eight good athletes. They were up seven with seven to go. But they punched themselves out and we went up five late, survived and advanced.
We had players evern further down the bench like Michael Morgan, Michael Reaves and Kent Hill who would start for this team easily. Those practices had to be like guerilla warfare, with the players on that team fighting for minutes!
I think commercial breaks for tv timeouts are longer in the NCAA tournament and definitely in the Final Four. A smart coach can give someone a blow one minute before a tv timeout and if it works properly the player can get a real time rest of five or six minutes and lose only one or two minutes game time.
Two subtle rule changes went into effect after the 1987 and they both hurt Davis, Cleveland State's Kevin Mackey (a former Davis assistant) and others. The five and ten second rules changed. Before, an inbounds attempt had to touch an offensive player in five seconds or it was a turnover. The ball had to be in possession of a player across halfcourt in ten or it was a turnover. With the new rules the inbounder only had to release the ball in five and only had to pass it across halfcourt in ten. Iowa forced a ton of turnovers in 1987 under the old rules.
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Fryowa
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You want a group that is the worst defensive team in all of P6 (not hyperbole) to play a more intense, more difficult, and faster paced style of the defense they suck so much shit at?
That’s like saying the Browns should just intercept more passes and they’d win more...when they have the fewest picks of any team in the league over the past four years. They profoundly suck at it. It makes no sense.
trj
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I just think of the season that put the nail in the coffin for Tom Davis. Ricky Davis, Ryan Bowen and Dean Oliver could play that pressing style and keep up, everyone else looked like they were running in mud. Teams simply threw over the top of that press and it simply became a dunk fest. Try that now and teams will run out to the 3 pt. line with clean looks. Iowa already struggles to guard the 3 p0int shot, pressing full time would only make it worse.
lightning1
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Bad idea. Might as well encourage Bohannon and Garza to transfer now, if that's the kind of defense we are going to run.
Northside Hawk
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Garza should be one of our best players this year and you want to utilize your best players in ways that make them most effective. Turning a game into a track meet definitely isn't it for Garza. He's frequently a step slow in half court sets, which of course gets magnified when he has to try and stop a penetrating guard. He'd foul himself right out of the conference in an up tempo game.
lightning1
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I don't think Garza could catch up/get close enough to foul anyone, in a track meet style game.
Northside Hawk
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Yes it would definitely expose his lack of foot speed.
We don't have the horses for it... It's alright to do it for stretches. I like having Nunge at the front of it. But if we were to try doing it a ton we'd get destroyed. But just mix it in here and there and it'll have some effectiveness sure. But we just don't have the athletes to play that style all game long. Same reason we can't play man to man all game long either. And when you do that for long stretches it gives them more looks at it and they can figure out the easiest way to attack it. Surprise them with it and we'll be better off.
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BILLYBOBSTEXAS
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I kind of wish Fran would send someone to Syracuse to see how that match-up zone should be played.
1977Hawkeye
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Agreed, but those late 80's teams had the athletes to do it.. That 86-87 team had the athletes, talent and depth to run that system. Mr. Davis's later teams, not sure if they did quite so much. We sure don't right now. Early 90's they still had Earl back to defend the rim, but some of this other teams didn't have that luxury.
One problem was that they tried to full court press every team. That might work against other teams that are more or less comparable to you, but I seem to remember them trying to press Duke in the 1991 Tournament and giving up something like 40 fast break points that game. Ooof. That 1998 NIT game vs. Georgia also comes to mind. UGA was running layup drills all game long.
I think maybe they could have some success if they pick their spots to apply some pressure, but don't think "40 minutes of hell" would be a good idea.
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Ian Pike Hammer
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send him back to rim protect, press with guards only